Topic: Is evolution real? Is evolution true?

Hello everyone,           evolution was mentioned in another post the other day, so i decided to create a new thread for it, since i'm interrested in seeing what other people think on the subject. This thread is wide open for any ideas about how we all got here and how life itself began. The discussion of evolutionary theory up next to the theory of creation will give us a better idea about how they compare up.
Feel free to share any ideas, again, and i look forward to hearing what you guys think.

                To start things off...i'll say that i have my doubts with the evolutionary's beleif in us evolving from monkeys and also the universe begginning as a large bang. As far as the monkeys go...why aren't we seeing monkeys slowly "evolving" into humans today...if that theory is correct, we should be still seeing this happen today, right? And my doubts in the "Big Bang" theory come from the amazing amount of complexity when you study the earth, stars, sun, moon, and really the entire universe! Even to think that some random chance explosion happened and somehow created the delicate balance throughout nature.  For example...the earth is just *EXACTLY* the right distance from the sun so that it can support life. If were any amount further away from the sun...the earth would be extremely cold an could not support most life...if it were any closer to the sun, we would all burn up. And then to say that random mutations over millions of years could have produced something good, and intelligent like us humans....absurd...

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I do think that humans looked exactly same an the dawn of the world, but I do not belive in evolution. I do think the theory of evolution is immoral, sacreligious, blasphamus, and evil.

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Are we allowed to debate the scientific theories and beliefs as well? Cause I don't think there would be any constructive agreements if we have to put up with religious interdictions and stuff sad

Anyway: I'm an atheist and to me it's totally natural for species to interact and evolve side by side, sometimes in eachother's pockets (and meals tongue) but I'm against certain points in pure Darwinism... Like, saying that killing others that are different is the way to live on? 'the struggle to survive'..... No thanks.

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I for one think that there were only a couple people on Earth, then they repopulated from Africa and spread to Islam(or whatever) to were the Bible started. I hope I dont get in trouble for mentioning the Bible on the boards. hmm

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5 (edited by Daenna Saturday, May 20, 2006 3:37 pm)

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True Warrior wrote:

I for one think that there were only a couple people on Earth, then they repopulated from Africa and spread to Islam(or whatever) to were the Bible started. I hope I dont get in trouble for mentioning the Bible on the boards. hmm

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from Africa and then to the Middle East ("Islam" is a religion wink), and the Bible start with the genesis, and basically that's where God created Earth, so what you said doesnt make any sense tongue I guess you meant the place where Jesus was born?... that's the Middle East too smile

Well it looks like there's 2 people who are Christians here..... hmm

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If you can get banned for mentioing the Holy Bible, then I want nothing to do with this site.

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yeah, well I dont believe alot of things in the Bible. I'm not THAT christain. I'm going to see the DaVinci Code tommorow

. Well, ya know, I really dont care about religion. Ya just gotta live life by the fullest, and go by your concence. Just be the best person you can be. smile And if you do that, you'll succeed in earthly happiness.:) That.........is what I believe.

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Yes, I agree with you, Spy. Like I always say, "you gotta have life to make life." wink If there was nothing in the beggining, then how can nothing blow up into the big Boom? hmm

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It would be smart to stick to the subject on this one, guys smile Religion is one of the touchiest topics on forums, and we don't want to start fights over that.

For my part: I respect a person's belief if they respect my own views and won't try to make them change. I can't change what's written in the Bible (no one can), but science... that's another thing. It evolves, because people try to perfect their theories about their knowledge of nature. If you want to "believe" in science, I suggest that you document yourself on the questions that trouble you in particular, but asking for someone to develop each point to you until you start thinking that it's the truth?.... I think it would be impossible. If you want to find answers, or to find "the truth", you have to find out on your own wink

We only believe what we think is best by our own standards. I hope I didn't go too deep in philosophy here sad

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the thing is...the worldview you have....or in other words   the way you view the world effects the decitions and beliefs you have in it.

for example:   a christian worldview has Christ at the center...and the Christian beliefs effect every other area in life.  It is impossible to seperate your religous beliefs from your view of the world around you.

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MandalorianSpy9 wrote:

the thing is...the worldview you have....or in other words   the way you view the world effects the decitions and beliefs you have in it.

for example:   a christian worldview has Christ at the center...and the Christian beliefs effect every other area in life.  It is impossible to seperate your religous beliefs from your view of the world around you.

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I agree with that last statement neutral I have a friend... well, had a friend who is a Roman Catholic and whatever we spoke about was going perfectly fine until she told me about her religion. Then everything she told me afterwards (while discussing history, politics, etc) had bad connotations to me, being agnostic but not totally ignorant of christiannism I could deceipher the things she said that could come from a book or from religious dogmas...... Yet again, she's a smart person and always eager to know more and more about everything, always seeking the truth somehow. And then she tells me she's actively religious. Now why did that sound wrong to me? hmm I tried being totally honest with her and tried to talk it over... but we don't chat anymore.

I just don't believe that anybody who really wants to know the truth can stick to 1 answer for the rest of his life and be happy with it. Myself I believe in evolution, in the "Big bang", anti-matter, quantum leaps, infinite dimensions, etc... I like the fact that everything I know now could be different tomorrow. The only thing I'm sure about is that in a couple of centuries we will be very different from now (cybernetics? genetic mutations? hormonal disfunctions?...) tongue

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hmmm...if we are going to "mutate" soon...we are heading in a bad direction right? because 99.99999999999999% of the time...mutation's bring forth a bad result...rarely ever do they bring out something good...   i wonder,  does this mean we are going to turn into something bad in the next century....

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I don't believe in evolution. I heard a theory once.... In the bible, I think it says that to God one day is a thousand years to us (or something like that), and that what's really going on is that when God created the world in seven "days", it was actually 7,000 years. (I think is how that would work out? Maybe I'm wrong and it was a thousand days?) And therefore, evolution people are saying things evolved when really it was only one more day of God's work. Also, if we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? Why has nothing evolved in the last hundred years or so? Why do humans in the old days look more or less how we look now?

But, I think that this thread'll get locked fast, these sorts of threads don't last long without a fight starting. I almost didn't even click on it at all.

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oooops....sorry   i didn't know that...i shouldn't have started it.  oh well...just hope and pray no fights break out...  and i totally agree with the whole monkey thing....if we came from monkeys....why don't we see half monkeys and monkeys changing into humans today....ya know.

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Well, I remember from science classes in high school that our planet was created 4.5 billion years in the solar system. 1 billion years = 1000 million years wink The homo sapiens species that evolved from australopithecus (that dates from 2.7 million years ago) has appeared far later.

You see we didn't come from chimpanzees, we evolved from another family of apes that had mutated into what became us, while on another side the chimpanzees, babboons (sp?), gorillas, etc. remained what they were. There are millions of species who did not evolve as fast as we did. Take alligators, sharks, whales for example.

Evolution and mutations happen because of climate, vital needs and biological environments. The Earth turns around the sun the same way that electrons rotate around atom cores. But that doesn't mean that every planet has to turn the same way (Mercury turns the other way around, by the way) and living species don't need to do the same thing at the same time. The universe is a huge chaos, but it's also one whole that sticks together thanks to a force, and that force I just call it.... The Force tongue

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i say this universe is not chaos....but rather it has soo many simbiotes that work together to creat this perfect universe...

        as far as evolving creatures.....how come we don't intermediate links in archaeological finds today....there is a huge void where the half'monkey species or the half-whatever is...ya know..

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Which reminds me a joke......

What do you get with you cross bigfoot with a missing Zelda cartridge?
A missing link.
big_smile

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18 (edited by Daenna Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:59 pm)

Re: Is evolution real? Is evolution true?

MandalorianSpy9 wrote:

i say this universe is not chaos....but rather it has soo many simbiotes that work together to creat this perfect universe...

        as far as evolving creatures.....how come we don't intermediate links in archaeological finds today....there is a huge void where the half'monkey species or the half-whatever is...ya know..

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That "missing link" is about a genetic factor between humans and chimpanzees that didn't collide. Humans have 46 chromosomes in the genome, while chimpanzees have 48... the only explanation to this would be 2 pairs of chromosomes fusionning together. That's where the crazy alien intervention theories kick in big_smile

People who watched X-Files will say that aliens with far advanced genetic manipulation technologies have played with ape genes 2 billion years ago and created the human genome as we know it, then planted it in a family of apes that bred and spread around, evolving super fast and adapting to all kinds of new climates and environments.

I don't want to accept that as the truth; there's no proof, but no counter-proof either. Besides, it's too easy tongue

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Yes, like Daenna said, according to evolutionary theory humans and chimpanzees (as well as the other great apes) have a common ancestor, and the line of descendency split into two major branches.  We don't see chimps evolving because evolution happens so slowly (and we're in the system), and also because evolution comes as a response to environmental changes which open up new niches.  Niches are sort of like roles that a creature can play in the ecosystem--living in the trees and eating fruit, for example.  Some of our ancestors took to the trees and became chimps, others lived on the savannah and became humans.

Disclaimer: Although I am an Anthropology major, I believe in a literal, 6-day Biblical creation, which makes going to college really unpleasant.  I just lost my 4.0 for the first time in my entire life because my Darwin professor wanted to make an example of me.  But anyway, that's another story.

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You know.... I'd post my opinions, but looking at the "EVOLUTION IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!!" posts..... Yeah I'll keep my mouth shut before I'm flamed.

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CeciliaCrimsondragonFett wrote:

You know.... I'd post my opinions, but looking at the "EVOLUTION IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!!" posts..... Yeah I'll keep my mouth shut before I'm flamed.

Aww, don't be intimidated by the scary mobs! I'm curious to know everybody's opinion on evolution, and also want to be reassured that I'm not defending a lost cause tongue


To those who don't believe or disagree in evolution theories: what would be so bad about it if they were true?

Are you okay with thinking that we descent from apes?

....That themselves are descending from mice?

...Which would mean that we're all just a bunch of very sophisticated rodents? smile

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No, no, no......I believe in evolution, it's just that once they became man, I believe thats when the Bible Started in the Middle East.


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Well, I believe that MICRO-evolution is true, just not MACRO-evolution. (I only put it in bold to specify smile)

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Fine, but if I get flammed or banned for this....

Evolution is not theory, its a proven, true process that occurs every day. Evolution is survival of the fittest: adapt and you live, don't and you die. Look at so many crazy animals we have out there: the Mudskipper, a fish that spends a deal of its time OUT of water; the Coelacanth, a fish that adapted and changed very little since the dinosaurs went extinct; a butterfly (or was it a moth?) that lives in Britain that adapted to the pollutants changing the barks of trees from light to dark, and changing with it.

We're just another one of those species that adapted and changed. When you look at our ancestor skeletal and brain wise, they weren't too different from us. And not ALL of them changed: previous near human species lived at the same time our closest realitive came about.

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