Topic: Is kramer forgivable?

Its old news about what Kramer (micheal richards) did. If you dont know what he did, he went on a rage calling a group of african americans the worst word in the english language. I personly think its disgusting unforgivable and I wont watch seinfeld again. Whats your opinion do you think he deserves forgiveness or should he burn for what he did?

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What he did was pretty harsh but I wouldn't stop watching Seinfeld over it.  There is an expression I learned in Kindergarten that goes like this "Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me."  I think that what he said was terrible and inappropriate but I don't think it is necessarily the end of the world.

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Re: Is kramer forgivable?

it all depends on your views of racism

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kramers rant was very ugly, but who r we not to forgive-if some apologizes.
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Can't see why people watched Seinfield in the firt place, but seriously he hurt himself more than anyone else.

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6 (edited by Valthonin Tuesday, August 7, 2007 5:17 am)

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CloneMedic54 wrote:

Can't see why people watched Seinfield in the firt place, but seriously he hurt himself more than anyone else.

People watch Sienfeld because it is hilarious.

What he did was horrible, no doubt. But with a life like his, always and forever being known as Kramer, im sure his life is stressful and he just got out of hand. However it is no reason to stop watching sienfeld. He is not the only character on the show, if not the funniest. It is a great show and IT has done nothing wrong even though he has, dont punish it for something that happened years after the show ended.

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Valthonin actualy rases a good point.

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All I have to say is that everyone makes mistakes.  His just happened to be publicized.

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Actually, "The word" isn't as bad as people think it is. I hear it just means Ignorant. You can look it up for a better definition.

It's forgivable. He just threw a fit, and because he's famous, it was publicized and all that jazz. He apologized and everything so I think people should just drop it all ready.

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10 (edited by CloneMedic54 Wednesday, August 8, 2007 12:45 am)

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"The word", huh? I would comment but I'm still laughing over the fact that you said it isn't that bad. :catches breath: Okay, I'm beter now. I guess the word only means ignorant if you've never been on the receiving end of it. If you have , you know it's said with more than the word "ignorant" in mind.

But you've only "heard" it means ignorant. How could you know?

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She knows because that is the definition given in the current edition of Websters dictionary. It formerly ment a shiftless person. It is, however, a racial slur.

Everyone can go into tantruums, and it seems to me that he suffered a nervous brakedown. If he did it more intenionally, he should not be forgiven, in my opinion. I do think that he does deserve to be forgiven, and that the whole issue should be let go.

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I think kramer is forgivable, every one does somthing that they regeret, and what he did, though inapropriate and wrong, isnt the worst thing ever. America has seen worse, was it not this country that was a major destination for slaves in the collonial period? Though many wont forgive him and may not watch seinfeld anymore over time this will be forgotten, and become a very minor footnote in the nations history.I however will continue to watch the seinfeld as watching a show that has been canceld and is now only re-runs shows no support for an actor's actions now, only shows a support for a fictional character and plot-lines of the show's episodes.

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13 (edited by CloneMedic54 Wednesday, August 8, 2007 4:08 pm)

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I agree, more or less. What he did is barely noticable compared to the atrocities commited in and by this effed up country. But I do like the way almost all of you have referred to what he did as a "tantrum".Little kids have tantrums, he was a grown man who knew what he was saying,what he meant by it, and how America would respond.

And Draco,first off what I meant was how could she know what it felt like to be on the receiving end and secondly lets be honest, the definition in the dictionary and the way that word is used are in no way comparable.

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So, he said "the word". Everyone here in New York (at least in NYC or on LI, some upstate) either has A) said it or B) thought of using it.

15 (edited by draco fett Wednesday, August 8, 2007 4:46 pm)

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CloneMedic54 wrote:

I. But I do like the way almost all of you have referred to what he did as a "tantrum".Little kids have tantrums, he was a grown man who knew what he was saying,what he meant by it, and how America would respond.

And Draco,first off what I meant was how could she know what it felt like to be on the receiving end and secondly lets be honest, the definition in the dictionary and the way that word is used are in no way comparable.

He seemed to have a nervous breakdown, which could be called a tantrum.

She didn't say that she knew what it was like to be on the recieving end of it. As I stated earlier, it often means more than just the definition.

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16 (edited by CloneMedic54 Wednesday, August 8, 2007 5:12 pm)

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And I didnt say she did. She said she'd heard it meant ignorant. And I said if you've only heard it means ignorant how could you know what it was like.

And I didn't know "tantrum" and "nervous breakdown" were interchangable. I guess my two year old niece has been having a lot of "nervous breakdowns" lately. But I guess questioning his mental state is  a good excuse to try and explain his behavior.

But I've really made a bigger deal about this than I'd originally attended. A lot worse has happened in this country than some out of work actor using a politically incorrect word and going on a brief racist tirade.

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CloneMedic54 wrote:

And I didn't know "tantrum" and "nervous breakdown" were interchangable. I guess my two year old niece has been having a lot of "nervous breakdowns" lately. But I guess questioning his mental state is  a good excuse to try and explain his behavior.

I did not say that they were interchangable; I said that they could be likened to one.

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I didn't mean to be offensive by my comment. I know what it means and how it's used is two different things, but I'm just saying, that the original meaning isn't bad. It's just the way people use it that makes it bad.

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the original meaning was a slur originating from negro, i think that the new meaning isn't bad

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20 (edited by rengaw Wednesday, August 8, 2007 10:02 pm)

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If I said "the N word" (I'm afraid to post it on boards at risk of being banned) but if I said it right now, no one would care, if I said it to a black man, the man and people around would care, but it wouldn't get much more serious, if I were famous and said it in a room full of people, THEN it would get out of hand and unfortunately, Michael Richards was in the last of the situations.

And hey, South Park said it and they got away with it.

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Re: Is kramer forgivable?

it depends on how you use it. If you say the word leaning to a black man/woman, they will take offense. Most of the time, however, they won't care as much, but a lot of the black community feel it's right to call us white-folk "crackers", and that "the N word" is their word, despite us white-folk made it up to describe them (slaves), and that we're not allowed to say it.

And South Park gets away with everything, didn't you see the Scientology episode?