(22 replies, posted in General)

Actually I believe that the new MMO takes place almost a whole thousand years after KotOR II, so there's plenty of room for a KotOR III, I'm just worried nobody's planning on making it.

Here's hoping...


Going back to the gameplay issue, can somebody verify if THIS is legit for me or not?  If it is, I'm not 100% sure what I think.  NOWHERE NEAR as pretty as the vids they've been feeding us, but then again did any of us expect it to be?  It actually looks more like the first KotOR games then I was expecting for some reason


Here's another couple I just found.  Link II

Intro to Bountyhunter Class

Again, not nearly as flashy as the trailer vids, but really not that bad for an mmo.  Opinions?


(737 replies, posted in Role Playing)

The radios were quiet now.  All preparations had been made.  Everyone knew their mission.  As the final seconds ticked down to the go-point, an eerie silence settled around Ralin in the cockpit of the Hawk.  The large armored bay doors were open, a force field protecting the hull integrity from the hyperspace tunnel beyond.  Looking around, everything outside the confines of his starfighter was static and secured; all the preflight prep crews had withdrawn from the hanger in preparation for the planned maneuver.  Checking his flanks, Ralin could see through the transparisteel viewports of the spacecraft along side his own.  To his left, Ma’ryk’s head was bowed in silence, seemingly meditating, or perhaps offering a prayer out to the Manda.  On his right, Solus’s head bobbed to the rythem of some heavy beat, pumping himself up for the bloodletting to come.  Checking his rear-facing monitor he could see into Cabur’s craft as she sat at her station, arms outstretched gripping the edges of her control panel as she impatiently waited for orders.   

In his own sanctuary, Ralin sat quietly, mentally reviewing the projected positions of the clashing fleets ahead of them.  The Rebels were already engaging Peacekeeper forces over Koriban, including the same fleet that had withdrawn from the battle on Mandalore.  He could only hope that the supposed Chiss fleet was well on its way. 

Even IF they show, it might not be enough...

Pilots, one minute to early release point.  Engage your engines and prep your systems commanded the battleship’s captain over the hanger’s comm system.  Flipping all his drive system switches to green, Ralin powered up the Hawk. 

“This is gonna be tricky folks.  Stay close to the mother ship but give each other some room.  We don’t need any collisions adding to the toll.”

”Copy Alor‘ad came several responses over his comm. 

A catapult deployment was a dangerous maneuver, but if performed properly could catch picket fighter patrols totally off-guard and give you a huge jump on your enemies because you didn’t have to revert your systems from hyper drive setting to real space.  Launching from the mother ship seconds before it dropped out of hyperspace would launch your own craft forward several hundred kilometers before the hyper-tunnel disapated.  This would place your fighters with weapons and shield systems already prepped for combat, and rocket them much closer to the enemy then they are expecting.  However, if you strayed away from the mother ship’s hull by only meters, the hyperspace tunnel’s turbulent walls would disintegrate your craft.

As the seconds ticked away, Ralin eased the control yolk back every so slightly, lifting the BloodHawk up off the deck, and eased the fighter’s nose right up to the edge of the force field that enveloped the hanger bay. 

“Pilots, launch in five…”

Ralin turned to his left and sent a salute to Ma’ryk.


Looking to his right, Ralin nodded toward Solus.


Waving his gloved hand across a panel of switches, Ralin activated the Hawk’s weapons systems.


Ralin inhaled deeply and gripped the flight controls a little tighter.


His teeth clenched a little tighter; the muscles in his arms beginning to knot and a flutter in his gut reaching to his throat.  This was a bad idea…


Before the captain had finished yelling the first command Ralin had shoved the accelerator forward.  Pinned back into his seat by the momentum, Ralin was greeted with a massive shudder as his craft left the peaceful stillness of the hanger bay for the torrent of the hyperspace tunnel that whirled around him.  Pulling back hard and to his left, he yanked the Hawk away from the hyperspace tunnel’s wall and back almost impacting into the side of the Battleship.  For a second the mammoth vessel stayed alongside Ralin, and then vanished from view as it left hyperspace.  In the same moment, the blue swirl before him collapsed and was replaced by the white speckled blackness of space as his lungs slapped against his ribs, the sudden deceleration barely being controled for by the Hawk's compensators. 

Ralin made a quick scan of the vessel’s critical systems.  Flashing red lights began to fade from the control pannel as diagnostics realized that the ship hadn’t just been swallowed by a wormhole or slapped by a stellar shockwave. 

”Never again…..” Solus gripped into his comm. 

“We all still living Talon?” Ralin asked of his makeshift squadron. 

”Ask me later…” muttered Ma’ryk.

”I’m here, but I think my stomach got left on the ’Punisher’” Cabur came back. 

The rest were alright as well.  Listening into the other comm links, most of the other squadrons reported they were also up 100%, including Boba’s Eagle squadron, though a few squadrons were a couple fighters short.

”Holy Kad Ha’rangir… look at that“ whispered Ma’ryk.  Only then did Ralin really take stock of his position and his surroundings.   

The catapult deployment had worked perfectly.  Seven full squadrons of heavy assault fighters and gunships were several hundred kilometers ahead of the fleet, with several enemy patrols actually behind them, trapped between the Mandalorian assault.  As planned, the planet was on their right, and the major space station orbiting Koriban was directly ahead of them. 

Ralin hadn’t initially seen the battling fleets because they were unexpectedly above them.  Massive warships were slugging it out in such close quarters that no fleets could be made out, just a frenzy of behemoths smashing each other with everything they had.  Some were already glowing hulks, fire raging out of breached bulkheads as the air and flames and crews were sucked out into the cold oblivion.  Massive laser bolts the size of his own ship raced in every direction away from the brawl, coloring the carnage in in brilliant greens and reds. 

”All squadrens Mandalore Fett’s voice called through the chaos of the moment.  “Execute, execute, execute.  Oya Manda.” *STATIC*

Refocusing, Ralin adjusted in his seat and narrowed his eyes.  “Copy lead.  Talon, we’re under them.  Target their hanger bays and their power cores.  Oya Manda, and watch your six...”


(91 replies, posted in Creative)

Some of the newer pics to go along with the character:

Pic I

Pic II



(91 replies, posted in Creative)

Heres an update on my Army of Two character and costume project.

Worked out this character sheet as a reference for my writing.  This is the "Official Company" version; will make a deeper and more detialed writer's reference later.  For now, this is Captain J.C. Bateman, Cheyenne Security Operator:


UPDATED: 14/07/2019


NAME: Jack Robert Christian

AGENCY ALIAS: John Christopher Bateman



RANK: Captain


RECRUITED: 17/10/2015


AGE: Twenty-Nine

DATE Of BIRTH: 10/06/1990

HOME TOWN: Flagstaff, Arizona


HEIGHT: 5 - Feet 11 - Inches

WEIGHT: 184 - Pounds



    Abdominal scaring in both upper quadrants from a shotgun wound - Burn     and bullet wound scars on left forearm - Two gunshot wounds on upper left     thigh

    CSA Emblem on right shoulder - Force Recon, Scout Sniper, MSOT are     tattooed on left upper chest one over the other chronologically


Recruited personally by Mr. Cartwright in October of 2015, Capt. Bateman was tasked with the creation of a second team for the Cheyenne Security Agency.  In the span of six months, he had organized a team of eight field agents and a full support staff.  Team Two became operational in May 2016.  To date, Team Two has taken well over one hundred contracts, including fifty seven missions involving hostile engagement. 


Mr. Jack Christian joined the United States Marine Corps at the age of seventeen, having graduated high school early and achieving an ASVAB score of 93.  Enlisting under the Security Forces MOS (Military Occupational Specialty), Jack completed boot camp from MCRD San Diego in January 2008, and proceeded to Chesapeake Virginia for his training into the Security Forces program.  After his training was complete, Jack was assigned to Kitsap Naval Base in Bangor, Washington.  In four years as a member of the Marine Security Forces, Jack advanced to the rank of sergeant, completed the designated marksman course, and was transferred to the 2nd FAST Company based at the Yorktown Naval Weapons Station in Virginia. 

Before the beginning of his fifth year of enlistment, Jack’s application into the Marine Force Reconnaissance program was accepted.  Within two years he was assigned to the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Unit, deploying to both Iraq and Afghanistan.  Specializing in Direct Action, or ‘Black Operations‘ activities, Jack was promoted to Staff Sergeant and, among other honors won in both deployments, was awarded the Silver Star for action in Afghanistan. 

At the end of his billeted tour with FORECON in 2013, Staff Sergeant Christian was recruited into the relatively new Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command, the USMC branch of Special Operations Command.  With a promised promotion to Gunnery Sergeant, Jack embarked into the rigorous and long training regimen.  By 2014 he was a fully trained operator for SOCOM, and was deployed with the Marine Special Operations Regiment based in Camp Lejune, North Carolina.  He was part of the company’s fourth deployment to Afghanistan, assigned to the recently tumultuous northern border with Tajikistan.  On December 2, 2014, Jack was involved in a bloody firefight with Taliban forces in a village east of Kunduz.  Jack’s four man team held their position against a vastly superior force for eight hours with no support.  Two of his teammates were killed during the engagement, the third died before the medivac could get him to medical facilities, and Jack himself was wounded.  The battle was initially hailed as a major victory, but later investigation revealed that several dozen local villagers including women and children had been killed in the firefight, many supposedly by the American team.  Staff Sergeant Christian argued that the village was a terrorist camp, and that the low light conditions combined with the massive number of hostiles in the area made mistakes in identifying hostile targets from noncombatants was impossible to avoid.  Political pressure was brought onto the military, and a court marshal was ordered.  Although it could not be proven that Staff Sergeant Christian had killed any noncombatants himself, the court came to the conclusion that unnecessarily harsh interrogation tactics had been employed before the ambush took place, and that he as the team leader was responsible for an unnecessary number of civilian casualties.  As part of a plea deal in July of 2015, Jack agreed to an early release from service, and was stripped of all benefits of an honorable discharge.  He was the only member of the team not receive the Navy Cross.


(39 replies, posted in Dialogue)

Ralin Drakus wrote:

yup, back in tha day...

As for updates/work, I don't know if it's my browser or what, but I have a hard time navigating back to the 'Message Boards' home page.  Say, like right now as I'm looking at this thread, I can scroll up and see the 'Message Boards' link with the others on the top left side of the windowhighlighted in yellow, but it's not letting me hit it so I can navigate back to it.  It's just dead when I try to click on it.  When I'm in the chat it's not even there, and when I try to hit 'Recent Posts' I'm sent to a page that says I've hit a bad link or something like that. 

Also, just as a side note, my karma thingy never got reactivated.  I see my old score in the top members board, but I can't give/take anybody else's karma and I can't find the option in my profile options to reactivate it.  Just a heads up in case any other members are having the same issue; I don't mind it either way

Thanks boss; now that I'm on high-speed I can really appreciate the hard work you put into this site - great work!

I think she meant my post here


(22 replies, posted in General)

Fettmatic wrote:

Yeah the trailers are pretty cool, but I've really only seen pre-rendered stuff when it comes to TOR so I wonder how the game will play out. Really though, I wish they just made a KOTOR 3 since I'm not interested in MMOs (not like my computer can handle any anyways)

Totally agree on both counts.

I'm a little worried that we havn't seen any game play; are they hiding it?  Or are they just waiting to build anticipation?  My experience is that the games with the best ingame looks and feel usually start bragging on it early.  The fact that we havn't seen anything of what the game actually looks like at play is unsettling to say the least.  I'm worried it's gonna be all show and no real go.

And a REAL KotOR sequel would be a GOD SEND!  I want to know what the hell happend to Revan and the Outcast!  What became of their followers!  Who joined them later!  What was really out there in the wilds of uncharted space that turned all the Jedi of the Mandalorian Wars to the Dark Side, and did Revan succeed in stoping them???

Now we've got an MMO that's just ripping off the same old story-line again - it's a damn good storyline that's worthy of being ripped off, but come on...  The Original Trilogy, then the New Trilogy, then half the major EU series, then the first KotOR comics and games.......now a thousand years late a DIFFERENT KotOR era rehash of Sith striking back and Darksiders trying to take over the entire galaxy....  It's really getting a little old honestly.  And this one rips off the armor and even the Jango look of the clones from Ep. III, as well as the Revan and Malak masks *though the role reversal is weird - the head dude is wearing the Malak mask while all the minions look like their wearing Revan masks... if that's how they've decided to be creative, the flashy movie clips might be the only cool thing about this game - hope I'm wrong, but just sayin'*


(27 replies, posted in Fans)

My brother is trying to get my into some of his music; not bad stuff really.  I've been in Viking/Barbarian sorta mood lately   tongue

Leaves' Eyes: My Destiny


(636 replies, posted in Fans)

And yet again, church isn't the only place you can experience that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anything against going to church, but you're making it sound like this is the ONLY place you can find your faith, accept Christ as your savior, or even enjoy the company of fellow believers. 

If church is the only place you have been able to find these things, more power to you.  However, you can't make a blanket statement that everyone must go to church to find fellow Christians or salvation; it's just not true.  On top of that, I'd rather Never go to church and believe as I have been taught by my family and my first paster then blindly run to the nearest chruch if it doesn't practice the interpretations of the bible that I believe in.  There's a lot of phony churches out there that only care about filling their donation boxes and passing on fear to keep people in their pews, and you have to be careful. 

Find that one good chruch, stick with it and support it.  Until you find it, keep Christ in your heart, know that he is our savior, live your life rightously, and sincerely asking for his forgiveness when you falter.


(39 replies, posted in Dialogue)

Regimas wrote:

holy crap. Ralins alive.

its been awhile...

What?  You thought something could kill me?   tongue

It has been a while; too much of one.  Trying to get back into the swing of things a bit.


(737 replies, posted in Role Playing)

(starting today I've got two days off of work.  After some chores and sleep I plan to post here tonight.  Let it not be said that I ever turned down a post to this RP   big_smile

Unless somebody else posts, expect me to edit a post in here tonight or tomorrow)


(39 replies, posted in Dialogue)

Yeah, it's not a huge deal. 

It was really annoying for a bit as that was the link I used to use all the time, but I've noticed now that I can hit the board's home page from the 'Community' drop down links.  Just thought I'd mention it in case it's part of a bigger issue that Aaron shoud know about


(196 replies, posted in Fans)

Ouch CA; and DC is a freekin swamp at that.  I've heard the humidity is the real killer, plus heat that high...  even worse that what it's going to be like here pretty soon.


(636 replies, posted in Fans)

Just because you doesn't regularly go to church doesn't mean he doesn't have faith...  And it's also not for us to judge regardless.  I have personally only attended one church service in my entire life, not counting the sermons I've listened to from my paster on TV; yet I consider myself Christian and a believer.


(39 replies, posted in Dialogue)

yup, back in tha day...

As for updates/work, I don't know if it's my browser or what, but I have a hard time navigating back to the 'Message Boards' home page.  Say, like right now as I'm looking at this thread, I can scroll up and see the 'Message Boards' link with the others on the top left side of the windowhighlighted in yellow, but it's not letting me hit it so I can navigate back to it.  It's just dead when I try to click on it.  When I'm in the chat it's not even there, and when I try to hit 'Recent Posts' I'm sent to a page that says I've hit a bad link or something like that. 

Also, just as a side note, my karma thingy never got reactivated.  I see my old score in the top members board, but I can't give/take anybody else's karma and I can't  the option in my profile options to reactivate it.  Just a heads up in case any other members are having the same issue; I don't mind it either way

Thanks boss; now that I'm on high-speed I can really appreciate the hard work you put into this site - great work!


(9 replies, posted in Serious Geeking)

Are you talking about playing the original Knights of the Old Republic game? or you're involved in a D&D style game with friends?  Either way, fun stuff.

The KotOR video game is what got me addicted to the Mando'ade and Boba.  If you havn't played it, I really recomend it.  It's old, but it's the most epic story since the original trilogy.  I played a little D&D Star Wars once as well; really loved it, but couldn't hang in because of work and where I lived. 

And I totally agree about your outlook on "cannon" material.  I'm at the point where if Lucas doesn't feel the need to respect established cannon, why should I respect his new trash?  I've always had a semi-outside the box version of the Mando'ade that many fans of the Commando books would disagree with me about some points.  But with Lucas running wild the way he does, I feel even more empowered to maintian my own ideas.  Hell, maybe someday my ideas will steamroll somebody else's hard-won 'cannon' material   tongue

For reals.  The Robot Chicken series for Star Wars is funny and all, but how low is such marketing to RC, Family guy, and anybody else who waves a buck under Lucas's nose taking the franchise?  And these Lucas Films endevors are even worse; at least RC and Family Guy are SUPPOSED to be spoofs that poke fun at Star Wars - The unreined rewriting of established cannon material by mindless kid shows that are failing to make up for the flaws in the prequals are ruining everything about the expanded universe.

That being said, there will always be the Original Trilogy, and as long as ppl market spin-offs and products from sucessful films, there will always be Star Wars material out there.  The only question is how poluted it will be with trash from the newer matieral.


(153 replies, posted in Film and Television)

jhonnymarsh wrote:

So I always believed that when the bus they are connected or not, Yoda, not groped. It makes no sense

Say wha.......?


(138 replies, posted in Film and Television)

You should see them first chance you get; any fan of Star Wars will LOVE the inside humor.  The Robot Chicken episodes totally own the SW Family Guy shows imo.  Episodes with the Emperor were probably my favorite, with Boba's appearence at the end of Ep. VI a tie   big_smile


(9 replies, posted in Serious Geeking)

A lot of that comic became obsolete when Boba's backstory was changed from being Jaster Mereel to cloned son of Jango.  The "amusement park" concept of the original comic is so corny and out of character for what we now know *or at least we hope we know; hard to be sure of anything as the Mandos are constantly being rewritten on what seems to be a daily basis* about the Mandalorian culture. 

I would personally like to continue believing that the City of Bone is an authentic remnent of the antient Taung/Crusader Mandalorians who lived thousands of years before the movies, built from the bones of the fallen Mythosarus who were exterminated by Mandalore the First and his followers.  'STAR WARS: The NEW Essential Chronology' book backs me up on page six, describing the events as I just did, so I've got some material supporting me.  But again, the comic was out first, and second Lucas doesn't give a crap about written material and maybe none of this applies anymore.

If I'm right, the City of Bone is *probably* the last of the ancient citadels erected by the first Mandalorians.  The Wiki pages for The Planet Mandalore and Mandalore the First both seem to be using the New Chronology as reference material, and both support my argument, but all three are equally vauge about when Mandalore we settled.  The Chronology says all this took place somewhere between 25,000 years before Ep. IV and 7,000 years BBY....  Not exactly a minute little gap.  I'd assume somewhere about 20,000 years, but that's a blatent guess.

If the amusement park idea stands for whatever reason, thats at least a little easier to figure.  According to the City of Bone Wiki Link, which sources the original comic, the park was built shortly after the end of the Clone Wars.  That obviously means that structure was about 15-18 years old more or less by the time Episode IV rolled around. 

That's all I got.  Again, not sure how much stock you can put into any of this anymore with new Mandalorian material being aired regularly that ignores established information.  Anybody who is keeping tabs on the new stuff might be able to fill you in if there have been any recent references to the City of Bone that I'm unaware of.

That being said, hope this helps   smile


(33 replies, posted in Serious Geeking)

Hopefully McCoy or one of the more studied fans will see this and will be able to answer better then I can.  From my view, it seems that the cannon has been changed considerably IF the cartoons are taken seriously, as Lucas seems to be taking them.  Some say that it all can be ironed out and work together, but I'm not seeing it.  Too much of the Mandalorian cutlure, which the RC books focus and elaborate on, is getting rewritten in each of the new cartoons that focus on the Mandos.  Royalty, pacivism, Death Watch dominating the few militaristic Mandos that are left; all of this flys in the face of KT's and other's established works.  And I believe that Traviss will no longer be writing any more RC books because all her work has been trashed by this newer material.  If she thinks everything has changed to that degree, then that says a lot.

You might notice from some of the other threads that I'm not one of KT's biggest fans for supporters.  But these cartoons are a blight on everything the real Mandalorian fans love and support, and I cring at the thought that kid shows are now taking priority over serious written work in the Star Wars universe


(5 replies, posted in Creative)

Not too bad; your scale is pretty good, and you're on the right track with your shading.  Try not to begin with stuff straight from your head but try to use good solid references to look at as you draw.  Stand back once and a while and get a good overview of your overall picture; helps me a lot


(2,637 replies, posted in Role Playing)

butter the popcorn that was left over.  Mace had so much popcorn that he called his friends and poped in his favorite movie, which happened to be...


(117 replies, posted in General)

Sharra Fett wrote:
Ralin Drakus wrote:
Ralin Drakus wrote:

I am Mandalorian......Light side and Dark side mean nothing to us.  We follow our code; judge it as you wish

This is what I was, and this is who I shall remain    wink

Is that result even among the quizz results? Not that I'm doubting you are what you say you are though.

lol, no, it's not on the quiz, though how awesome would it be if it was?  big_smile

Just my 'philisophical debate' addition to the thread.  I think I was a Gray Jedi when I took the test; don't remember for sure.  I'll have to retake it if it's still up


(84 replies, posted in Role Playing)

NAME - Kre-Nash *Goes by Nash*


SPECIES - Undocumented Native Species of Balkest.  A reptilian humanoid species looking like THIS, THIS *the short upturned horns indicate females, while longer downturned horns indicate males, the length identifying age* and THIS.  The species calls themselves Armodians, and although they are sentient, they are in a very early evolutionary stage of hunter-gathers.  Their colonies range widely in size, varying from a few families to several thousand.  No matter the size of the colony however, there is no central form of government or law.  Armodians communicate in hisses, growls, and whistles *similar to THIS.  They live in underground colonies, taking advantage of the same natural underground caverns and ideal tunneling soil common to the planet that attracted the Kubaz to the system.  They are nocturnal, venturing out into the jungles at night to hunt using simple hand forged weapons like stone-pointed spears and clubs, or often just using only their large claws and jagged teeth.  They have gone undiscovered because their homes are primarily located in the more southern rainforests closer to the planet’s equator, a region with much higher precipitation then the Kubaz prefer.  They are incredibly strong, fast, and agile hunters, able to run down most pray, although they prefer to ambush their victims.  Climbing comes very naturally to them , both in their home tunnels as well as in the trees on the surface.  Their double-jointed ankles allow them to climb straight down with ease.   

APPEARANCE - Dark grey with a black stripe running from the tip of his nose, down his back, and all the way to the end of his tale with tiger-like stripes running from it horizontally around his chest and legs.  Claws are black, and his eyes are grayish-silver around a large black split pupil.  A deep red patch also marks each side of Kre-Nash’s throat.  Extremely muscular build.  Wears a large dark brown leather belt with a long ragged leather loincloth.  Also wears leather bracers on his forearms and shins.   

HEIGHT - 6 foot 5 inches; about average for his species

AGE - 17 *Armodians age faster then humans; 12 and up is considered a full grown adult*

WEAPONS - Kre-Nash’s primary weapon is his spear, while he also carries a hand-axe and a knife in his belt

TRIBE STATUS - Hunter/Warrior

SHORT BIO - Kre-Nash had been hunting on the outskirts of his tribe’s territory when he felt something strange.  An unexplainable urge took hold of him, and he continued to travel north away from his home.  The further he traveled, the more consumed he became by the invisible hand that had taken control of his actions.  As he left the humid rainforests and entered the woods of forbidden regions, it became easier to succumb to anger, hate, and rage.  As game became more and more rare, he killed creatures with abandon, leaving carcasses behind him untouched for food.  He felt stronger and faster as he progressed.  One night, as the pulsating drive that pounded in his brain reached its highest pitch, Kre-Nash discovered the alien colonies that had taken root on the planet.  Finding a cave in the hills between the surface colony and the entrance to the underground hive, Kre-Nash heeded the voices that echoed in his skull; to kill. 

*Ok, obviously my character has fallen under the influence of the Sith artifacts.  He is very susceptible to Force influence, especially since he’s barely above animal instinct as it is, and therefore doesn’t know to even try and fight it.  He would be a pawn in the hand of a Sith character, but even with the Dark Side influence on the planet a Jedi would find it easy to influence him.  That’s weakness #1.  Weakness two would be light.  His specie’s  natural aversion to sunlight has transformed into a vampire-like pain causing experience.  Sudden artificial bright lights will have similar affects.  Those are your two weaknesses folks.  Other then that this dude runs and jumps damn near as well as a raptor, and climbs like a squirrel.  He’s been camped out between the two settlements for a few months now, and is something of a monster-tale that the populace semi don’t believe in, but don’t quite ignore either on a dark night. 

Anyone still game to play? *


(737 replies, posted in Role Playing)


Good to see you ner vod!  I'm not sure Mel's RPG is gonna go anywhere even if I send in a post, so after I give a try there I'll definately start contemplating a post for here just to see where it leads.  Oya Manda!!!