revan07 wrote: Valthonin wrote:
You give Raiders of the Lost Ark an 80? You, sir, have no idea what you are talking about. I highly question your word on anything to do with films and the film industry.
The biggest problem i have with Raiders is that the climax is uninvolving.
You felt like you were just observing The nazi's die and Indy had nothing to do with it.
I felt like i was observing all the special efects not at all with Indy involved.
Unlike Star Wars where the special effects are there to go with the characters and you felt involved and effected emotionally by what was going on in Star Wars and the Special effects were there to help it in Star Wars, In Raiders there was only the effects and no involvment or emotional depth.
In short the effects work in Star Wars and you are involved in Star Wars and there is emotional depth in Star Wars along with the effects but in raiders there are only the Special effects.
I hate Temple of Doom as it is boring and i hate it. Last Crusade was pretty good and it had a more involving climax than raiders. Last crusades climax though not as involving as a Star Wars climax it was still pretty good.
The Raiders climax is uninvolving? Take what draco said for example. Thats a perfect explanation. If Indy would have just shot everybody like he does to the Cairo swordsman, it would have been the same as every other movie. The Nazis got what was coming to them, and the victory that Indy gets is the fact that he DIDNT die along with them.
Back in the 80s, when ppl were sitting in that theater and they saw the Ark opened and all those ghosts came out...that had never been seen before! Ppl couldnt believe it! Now, theres better stuff, but Raiders created something new. It brought something innovative to the table and changed movie making forever, just like Sar Wars did.
Indy may have not killed the Nazis personally, but I would rather see them suffer the wrath of God then get shot.
I feel as if the audience is even more emotionally connected to Indy MORE so than is Star Wars since he is just one man with guts. He has no Lightsaber or Force powers or X-Wing. The truck chase scene where Indy is going under the truck and fighting Nazis while trying to drive: Dont tell me you werent rooting for him and cheering him on. You have a desire for Indy to succeed just as much as you want Luke to blow the Death Star.
Now, Temple of Doom, I know everyone hates it, but i love it. Im not going to get into it because i would be here all night.
Last Crusade however...I think the climax of Last Crusade beats any Star Wars movie. How is it not emotional? A father clinging to his sons hand as he reaches for the Holy Grail. Plus, the father, who tell him to let it go, has been obesessed with it his whole life! He finally calls him Indiana, he is also shot, and they ride off into the sunset. That climax is FULL of emotional content. How is it not involving? When his father gets shot, and the shot echoes off the walls and Indy exclames "Dad!"....come on man, who DIDNT feel like they themselves got shot.
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