Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

draco fett wrote:

That's like saying "Can a true metal head have short hair?" I wouldn't want to see someone call the singer to Pantera non-metal.

So, I'd say they can have a blaster.

I honestly don't see a correlation to this topic.

I see what youre trying to say though, yet a lightsaber is significantly more important to a Jedi then long hair is to a metal head. A lightsaber is a Jedi's life, an extension of his body.

Ale'ika Skirta wrote:

So luke skywalker is not a true jedi?
you people all seem to forget that a lightsaber is not ideal for all situations, when use of a lightsaber will endager others, or draw unwanted attention to themselves or the order

When a lightsaber is not ideal for a situation (which is rare) then the Jedi can rely on his force powers. The ability to move things at your will or confuse the minds of others with a thought is much more potent then a blaster.

Darth Vader wrote:

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've
constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to
the power of the Force.

Darth Vader puts it well here. Of course, a blaster does not compare to the Death Star, but its the same concept. If you cannot trust in your lightsaber, then you can trust in the Force.



And about Luke using a lightsaber in the books. At first, he wasnt one of the best lightsaber users out there... he trained with only a droid. He didnt have the extensive experience with lightsaber's or the Force that the other Jedi had. So, at times he probably had to make up for it with that.

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Valthonin wrote:
Ale'ika Skirta wrote:

So luke skywalker is not a true jedi?
you people all seem to forget that a lightsaber is not ideal for all situations, when use of a lightsaber will endager others, or draw unwanted attention to themselves or the order

When a lightsaber is not ideal for a situation (which is rare) then the Jedi can rely on his force powers. The ability to move things at your will or confuse the minds of others with a thought is much more potent then a blaster.

i wish to call this simple ignorance
Jedi are not all powerful this has been proven time and again  for a jedi or sith for that mater to rely only on their force powers or their lightsaber is to hobble themselves

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Ale'ika Skirta wrote:
Valthonin wrote:
Ale'ika Skirta wrote:

So luke skywalker is not a true jedi?
you people all seem to forget that a lightsaber is not ideal for all situations, when use of a lightsaber will endager others, or draw unwanted attention to themselves or the order

When a lightsaber is not ideal for a situation (which is rare) then the Jedi can rely on his force powers. The ability to move things at your will or confuse the minds of others with a thought is much more potent then a blaster.

i wish to call this simple ignorance
Jedi are not all powerful this has been proven time and again  for a jedi or sith for that mater to rely only on their force powers or their lightsaber is to hobble themselves

Ah yes, to not rely on a laser sword that can cut through nearly any material or their Force powers which allow them to move objects at their will or influence others with their mind or cast lightning from their fingertips or heal themselves or others or run at amazing speeds or jump and unbelievable heights would definitely be hobbling themsevles.


Describe a situation in which Force powers or a lightsaber could be superceded by a blaster.

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Valthonin wrote:
Ale'ika Skirta wrote:
Valthonin wrote:

When a lightsaber is not ideal for a situation (which is rare) then the Jedi can rely on his force powers. The ability to move things at your will or confuse the minds of others with a thought is much more potent then a blaster.

i wish to call this simple ignorance
Jedi are not all powerful this has been proven time and again  for a jedi or sith for that mater to rely only on their force powers or their lightsaber is to hobble themselves

Ah yes, to not rely on a laser sword that can cut through nearly any material or their Force powers which allow them to move objects at their will or influence others with their mind or cast lightning from their fingertips or heal themselves or others or run at amazing speeds or jump and unbelievable heights would definitely be hobbling themsevles.


Describe a situation in which Force powers or a lightsaber could be superceded by a blaster.

you seem to forget that not all jedi have those powers Valthonin

I dont really want to post a spolier so read the latest legacy of the force book for one,
Another would be when trying to hide ones identity, because walking around with a lightsaber on your hip and using the force for every kinda makes you stand out


and yes using the force for everything does hobble them, it creates a distance between the order and the people that they have sworn to protect, thats why during the clone wars some jedi generals had the respect of the clone and non-clone unites in the GRA, and why Jacen has the respect/loyalty of his soldiers in the legacy of the force series

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Ale'ika Skirta wrote:
Valthonin wrote:
Ale'ika Skirta wrote:

i wish to call this simple ignorance
Jedi are not all powerful this has been proven time and again  for a jedi or sith for that mater to rely only on their force powers or their lightsaber is to hobble themselves

Ah yes, to not rely on a laser sword that can cut through nearly any material or their Force powers which allow them to move objects at their will or influence others with their mind or cast lightning from their fingertips or heal themselves or others or run at amazing speeds or jump and unbelievable heights would definitely be hobbling themsevles.


Describe a situation in which Force powers or a lightsaber could be superceded by a blaster.

you seem to forget that not all jedi have those powers Valthonin

I dont really want to post a spolier so read the latest legacy of the force book for one,
Another would be when trying to hide ones identity, because walking around with a lightsaber on your hip and using the force for every kinda makes you stand out


and yes using the force for everything does hobble them, it creates a distance between the order and the people that they have sworn to protect, thats why during the clone wars some jedi generals had the respect of the clone and non-clone unites in the GRA, and why Jacen has the respect/loyalty of his soldiers in the legacy of the force series

About the walking around with a lightsaber and being noticed thing, I thing its not that big of a deal if you have to hide them beneath your robes or somethng else. You dont have to have it out the whole time. You wouldnt stand out. And I neevr meant that they should use the force for everything. They should just use it when necessary. It is their most potent ability. yet they do not have to use it to open doors and turn pages of a book.

And I know that not all Force users can cast lightning or heal, i was just making a point.

When a Jedi needs to hide his identity, it isnt that hard. Maybe change out of your robes, and hide your lightsaber, no big deal.

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Ok, I'm not saying the Jedi AREN'T a religion; I don't think they see themselves as following a religion, but that's apparently what Lucus based them on.  But my question is why are you all listening to the Emperor, Tarkin, AND Han Solo about what a Jedi is or isn't.  The first 2, especially Palps, are totally bent AGAINST the Jedi, and I always read his statements as his attempt to degrade the Jedi by calling it a religion.  Solo *did he ever all it a religion?* just donesn't know what he's talking about on the subject period, or at least he didn't at the time.

As to Jedi using blasters, I think they COULD, but just don't.  At least the Jedi of the Old Republic all seem to see blasters as beneath them.  It's like asking Boba to mind your tomato garden while you're gone for the week; it's something he'd be capable of...........just not something he's going to do.  There are always exceptions to rules, and I'm sure a couple Jedi have been blaster-packers even before the fall of the Republic, though I imagine they were looked down apon

That's my 2 cents

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Ralin Drakus wrote:

Ok, I'm not saying the Jedi AREN'T a religion; I don't think they see themselves as following a religion, but that's apparently what Lucus based them on.  But my question is why are you all listening to the Emperor, Tarkin, AND Han Solo about what a Jedi is or isn't.  The first 2, especially Palps, are totally bent AGAINST the Jedi, and I always read his statements as his attempt to degrade the Jedi by calling it a religion.  Solo *did he ever call it a religion?*

That's my 2 cents

well stated.
a response-and as stated previous this is merely observation and at worst speculation.
sith r going to make jabs at jedi, just as Christians scoff at Muslim afterlife and vise versa etc. i think lucas purposfully grey the line of jedi and sith between philosohy and a religion. after all he created back when he could still write.
another thing to consider in this discussion is that there r angels in the starwars universe as well as a hell,
which solo said "well, then ill see you in hell!" while on hoth.

these conversations r material for many threads.

someone said earlier that lucas approves everything, so it must all be considered as canon.
dont get me started on continuity...(cujo is restrained and drug out of the room).

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Valthonin wrote:

When a Jedi needs to hide his identity, it isnt that hard. Maybe change out of your robes, and hide your lightsaber, no big deal.

And hiding a lightsaber doesnt always mean it is readily available , sure some people have disguised them as glowrods, and hydrospanners but depending upon the disguise that the jedi is using those may not always work

and i agree Ralin Drakus on the fact that Jedi just dont use blasters all the time, for the fact that the order has no laws against using blasters, the lightsaber is the traditional jedi weapon, but its not always the most practical for all situations

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Valthonin wrote:

A lightsaber is a Jedi's life, an extension of his body.

And hair isn't? But yeah, I didn't really make a great point.

I don't see why a Jedi couldn't use an extra weapon.

take it easy baby take it as it comes

Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

You guys are all taking this as "In the Jedi rule book no blasters are allowed."

I didnt say that nor do i mean it.

I just mean that a true Jedi can go through any problems without a blaster. He can use his knoweldge of the force or his ligthsaber.

Now, I am not saying that Obi-wan is not a true Jedi because he used a blaster to kill GG. However, he did not choose a blaster over a lightsaber. He did not have a lightsaber at hand. He had to use the blaster. I just believe that, in my opinion that is, a true Jedi uses the Force and a lightsaber to make his way about the universe, not a blaster. They don't need them, they dont use them, they shouldn't have them. If they have a blaster on them at all times then that means that they dont trust in their ability with a lightaber and/or the Force, so they are not a true jedi. Like when Luke had a ligthsaber as well as a blaster in ESB, he was not a true Jedi and did not completely trust his skill with a lightsaber.

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Valthonin wrote:

You guys are all taking this as "In the Jedi rule book no blasters are allowed."

actually i beleive that we are on the opposite side of that line, because you seem to be saying that real jedi dont use blasters and any jedi that does is not a ture jedi
so i think your the one thats preaching about a jedi rule book

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Well I don't think there's such a thing as a "True Jedi". So, any Jedi can use a blaster. They just prefer lightsabers.

Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

This seems to me as a complicated topic, depending on definitions to many things that are open for individual interpretation. What is a True Jedi? Are there True Jedi? If we are talking about blasters and Jedi, whether The Jedi/ Sith are religious or not seems moot. An interesting topic for sure, but just not connected to the blaster debate to me.

Many of the Jedi that have been brought forth as examples for carrying a blaster or ranged weapons were unsure of skills or position within the formal Jedi Order of the Old Republic. They either were not fully trained in lightsaber combat, like Luke in ESB or doubted their skills with the Force ar some point, like Etain. What I would consider a "True Jedi" would be a Jedi that fully adheres to the Jedi Code, has stronglly developed Jedi Skills like lightsaber construction and combat and has a sense of comitment to the light side of the Force. That being said I feel like a "True Jedi" to that definition would be hesitant to use a blaster or ranged weapon. They would use them if absoultely necessary, like with GG V Obi- Wan or if it was absolutely vital to the success of an undercover mission. Given a choice though they would always reach for their personal lighsaber. They crafted it and should feel and be an extention of one's self, thus making it most comfortable.

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

I think a true Jedi would only rely on their lightsaber, as previously stated I think only a dire situation would call for a blaster.

To shoot or not to shoot, that is the question.

Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Thats what I think as well, as in if they were unable to get close enough to attack with the lightsaber, or the like, True Jedis will only use the force, and their lightsabers, unless in dire circumstances, as Obi-Wan demonstrated

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

I think that most Jedi's at some point in time have had to use one. I dont think it was a big deal so long as they dont become dependiant on it.

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Do you think that if a situation warrented and a Jedi used a blaster for either defense of himself or others would he be exspelled from the Jedi Order?

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Si Titran wrote:

Do you think that if a situation warrented and a Jedi used a blaster for either defense of himself or others would he be exspelled from the Jedi Order?

Was Obi-Wan?

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Adeptus_Astartes wrote:
Si Titran wrote:

Do you think that if a situation warrented and a Jedi used a blaster for either defense of himself or others would he be exspelled from the Jedi Order?

Was Obi-Wan?

no, to both questions, because remember batteries die, and thats what lightsabers run off of, and as i have stated in my prior arguments in this topic, lukes jedi use blasters frequently

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Ale'ika Skirta wrote:
Adeptus_Astartes wrote:
Si Titran wrote:

Do you think that if a situation warrented and a Jedi used a blaster for either defense of himself or others would he be exspelled from the Jedi Order?

Was Obi-Wan?

no, to both questions, because remember batteries die, and thats what lightsabers run off of, and as i have stated in my prior arguments in this topic, lukes jedi use blasters frequently

Lightsabers only lose power when the beam is broken, so they dont use power that much

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Ale'ika Skirta wrote:
Valthonin wrote:

You guys are all taking this as "In the Jedi rule book no blasters are allowed."

actually i beleive that we are on the opposite side of that line, because you seem to be saying that real jedi dont use blasters and any jedi that does is not a ture jedi
so i think your the one thats preaching about a jedi rule book

Read the rest of that post. If you understood it then you would not be saying that. I'm not preaching about anything.

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Then there is your answer. If one can not be ousted from the order for using the blaster than it is a matter of choice for the Jedi.

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Ale'ika Skirta wrote:
Adeptus_Astartes wrote:
Si Titran wrote:

Do you think that if a situation warrented and a Jedi used a blaster for either defense of himself or others would he be exspelled from the Jedi Order?

Was Obi-Wan?

no, to both questions, because remember batteries die, and thats what lightsabers run off of, and as i have stated in my prior arguments in this topic, lukes jedi use blasters frequently

Very good point. I would say that the "older" jedi wouldnt use a blaster but the newer era of jedi seem to have adapted. I would also put Obi-Wan as the "changing of the guard" he might be old but alot of his views were that of a newer jedi. The times changed so the jedi had to adapt or they would have died off for sure.

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

Obi-Wan's case has already been argued. It was a very dire situation, he had no other choice.

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Re: Can a "True Jedi" carry a blaster?

I know luke carried a heavy blaster pistol ( like han Solo's ) in ESB when he was about to face Vader yikes

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