Re: Darth Vader vs. Darth Sidious

you know, when Sidious was testing Darth Maul, he was harassing him. Maul gets this incredible rage and almost kills Sidious, but Sidious was going light and could have sliced him at anytime.

27 (edited by Spider-Fett Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:05 pm)

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Vader, in episode 3 sidious said vader would be more powerful than him or yoda.  (Oh, and Mace beat Sidious fair and square, you could tell Sidious didn't plan all that, since Mace was able to deflect his lightning and scar sidious, nearly killing him.)

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Yes, but some people say that Sidious was planning on losing, thus making Anakin think the jedi were evil.  It could have been a very very elabroate planning by sidious.

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Or not.  I suppose it will always be a mystery.

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30 (edited by Fett_II Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:37 pm)

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Naw, he definitely planned it. Remember how fast Sidious was going when he was dueling Yoda? That was way more speed than when he faced Mace.

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Only one point to make on this one, Sidious wins....

Here's why- Anyone who has read Dark Lord:Rise of Darth Vader knows that sidious put anakin in a inferior body than he could have simply to keep him weaker than himself. and here's the MAIN point...

Lightning, Vader's life is held by a iron lung on his chest, therefore if HE throws lightning, his suit shorts and he dies, if hit with lightning his suit shorts and he dies, and what is sidious' favored power? lightning.

there you go Sidious defeats Vader

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I'll give you the fact that lightning would kill him. Unless he could stop it somehow, like Mace did with his lightsaber, or like Yoda did by controlling it. And while he is blocking the lightning, he chokes Sidious to death.

So I guess it all depends on Vaders ability to block the lightning, which I believe he would be able to do.

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darth vader would have kicked sidiouses old ***. he was younger and more powerful and like villimar said, at he bonouse level it showed what would have happened if anikin had killed obi-wan, he would have killed sidiouse. if you think logicaly vader is the prime candidate to kill sidiouse.

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Anakin didnt kill Obi Wan though so that never happened.

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kyale wrote:

darth vader would have kicked sidiouses old ***. he was younger and more powerful and like villimar said, at he bonouse level it showed what would have happened if anikin had killed obi-wan, he would have killed sidiouse. if you think logicaly vader is the prime candidate to kill sidiouse.

If you think logically you will notice Vader's suit is a sort of lightning rod, therefore magnifying the damage caused by Sidious.

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Vader would just block the lightning, and choke the old man.

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Mandalorian wrote:

Vader would just block the lightning, and choke the old man.

Sidious wouldn't go down so easily.

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What evidence is there that Vader even knows how to block lightning?

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There isn't. (slaps all who think blocking lightning is like flushing the toilet)

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Fett_II wrote:

There isn't. (slaps all who think blocking lightning is like flushing the toilet)

Well since I was the first to suggest it, I'll try to defend myself. No it probably isn't easy top block force lightning, but then again Vader isn't a push over. He is one of the strongest sith, and Dooku was able to at least deflect it, Windu was able to block it, and Yoda was able to control it. And he definately has a reason to learn it, as he knows that Sidious uses it as a main attack. And Since all Sith think of overthrowing their masters, its obvious he had a plan to block Sidious's lightning.

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Very good points but another question arises, how would Vader learn how to block force lightning?  I'm sure one of the only person who could use force lightning at the time was Sidious, and I'm pretty sure Sidious didn't use Vader as target practice.  It all depends on what powers block the force lightning involves, and since we don't really know that information it leaves us to speculate.  But he could probably do it with his lightsaber like Windu.

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He did see Windu bloking it so he would know all he would have to do is use his saber. Plus since he had a thurst for noledge i reckon he would've tried to lean as much as possible, so there is every chance he would be able to.

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and palpatine is a faggot, and vader isnt, so vader would dominate

im not trying to be stupid, or ignorant, even though im sounding like it, but vader would just beat sidious.

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Remember, although Anakin was stronger in the force than most jedi, his training was as yet unfinished, despit is rapid promotion through the ranks, he still lack  knowledge. He would not know how to block force lightningsince other than dooku he never really had orry about it, therefore probably wouldn't have been trained in it. BUT remember being younger doesn't mean better, could mace beat Yoda? I think not, They said themselves the sith have been xtinct for thousands of years as far as they jdi knew, and we can gather that palpatine is the last sith since plagueis (his master) therefore making him older than yoda (unless someone can prove me wrong here) thereforce making him FAR moe powerful in knowledge of the force than even vader, cuase he taught vader al that Vader knew of the dark side not all that Sidiou knew of it

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This question gets answerd at the end of ROTJ Vader wins.

46 (edited by draco fett Friday, March 9, 2007 12:50 pm)

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No, it does not. That was not a battle. Vader metaphoriclly sucker-punched Palpatine.

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FetttheBountyHunter wrote:

Remember, although Anakin was stronger in the force than most jedi, his training was as yet unfinished, despit is rapid promotion through the ranks, he still lack  knowledge. He would not know how to block force lightningsince other than dooku he never really had orry about it, therefore probably wouldn't have been trained in it. BUT remember being younger doesn't mean better, could mace beat Yoda? I think not, They said themselves the sith have been xtinct for thousands of years as far as they jdi knew, and we can gather that palpatine is the last sith since plagueis (his master) therefore making him older than yoda (unless someone can prove me wrong here) thereforce making him FAR moe powerful in knowledge of the force than even vader, cuase he taught vader al that Vader knew of the dark side not all that Sidiou knew of it

I don't think it was ever mentioned how old Palgueis is.  I'm assuming he wasn't thousands of years old despite his ability to extend life.  And the people of Naboo would figure out if there representative was thousands of years old.  So I honestly do not believe that Sidious is older than Yoda.  If he was he could have easily wiped out anyone who went against him, including Yoda and Mace.

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.. if anybody has read my list of Anakin's cheap shots, the end of ROTJ was on it.

49 (edited by the outline Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:02 pm)

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Sidious has trained more and is skilled from his years of practice with the force and the saber. but, vader is the "chosen one" the one to bring balance to the force. vader has alot more raw talent and more force power than palpitine will ever have, but in all out fight sidous by far sidous, vader needs more training under his belt.

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Very good points but another question arises, how would Vader learn how to block force lightning?  I'm sure one of the only person who could use force lightning at the time was Sidious, and I'm pretty sure Sidious didn't use Vader as target practice.  It all depends on what powers block the force lightning involves, and since we don't really know that information it leaves us to speculate.  But he could probably do it with his lightsaber like Windu.

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In the bokks of the vong invasion where Jaina temporarily goes dark side she uses lighting against Kyp who then renders it harmless giving the explanation of since he knows how to use it, he therefore knows how to defend against it, which really makes sense if you assume that you must know about a power in order to use it, shutting it off, what makes it work and why etc.....


FetttheBountyHunter wrote:
Remember, although Anakin was stronger in the force than most jedi, his training was as yet unfinished, despit is rapid promotion through the ranks, he still lack  knowledge. He would not know how to block force lightningsince other than dooku he never really had orry about it, therefore probably wouldn't have been trained in it. BUT remember being younger doesn't mean better, could mace beat Yoda? I think not, They said themselves the sith have been xtinct for thousands of years as far as they jdi knew, and we can gather that palpatine is the last sith since plagueis (his master) therefore making him older than yoda (unless someone can prove me wrong here) thereforce making him FAR moe powerful in knowledge of the force than even vader, cuase he taught vader al that Vader knew of the dark side not all that Sidiou knew of it
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I don't think it was ever mentioned how old Palgueis is.  I'm assuming he wasn't thousands of years old despite his ability to extend life.  And the people of Naboo would figure out if there representative was thousands of years old.  So I honestly do not believe that Sidious is older than Yoda.  If he was he could have easily wiped out anyone who went against him, including Yoda and Mace.

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He WAS able to easily wipe out Yoda and Mace, they really didn't give him more than a moment's difficulty, Palpatine MEANT to appear weak and vulnerable so that Anakin would see how "evil" the Jedi had become and side with him, If he had instead witnessed Palpatine owning Mace and killing him, he never would have fallen to the trick and turned dark. And how do you know he was the representative for Naboo the whole time, I doubt he was, if he is that old, he probably spent the majority of it setting up the entire plot. Also with most of Naboo's government being weakminded, his ability to make them think what he wanted, probably helped him a great deal, remember he was able to stand NEXT to Mace AND Yoda and keep his real identity hidden.