Topic: Were the empire actually bad

Boba was originally considered a villain in many things eg Video games and most comics because he took a job from the empire but in the OT were the empire bad (I’m not sure if it belongs in serious geeking). personally I think the rebel alliance had little motivation and they just preferred the republic not at all considering anybody else’s opinion and in the core worlds where most of the population would be most people were positive about the empire. The only rebel group that I felt showed obvious motivation were the partisans and there extremist ways made most of them terrorists rather than freedom fighters. Also people consider the empire bad due to the slavery but in the republic there were multiple slave trading posts and the republic did little about them. Also the empire were a lot better to outer rim planets as they offered the citizens jobs in the stormtrooper core whereas in the republic taxed them so they could stay part of the republic and offered little support and materials in return leading to them joining the separatists. Those are some of my reasons why I believe the empire is good sorry if some of my points are slightly wrong and should boba be considered a villain in the OT for taking a job from Vader.

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2 (edited by AlteringTheDeal652 Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:52 am)

Re: Were the empire actually bad

I agree that the Empire weren’t as ‘bad’ as the films made them out to be, but they did blow up an (and planned to blow up more than one) innocent planet therefore committing mass genocide to the population of Alderaan.

This deal is getting worse all the time! - Lando Calrissian, The Empire Strikes Back.

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But they destroyed it because it had an extremely large rebel population meaning that if they didn’t millions of innocent imperial citizens who became stormtroopers to support there family would have been killed also the rebels destroyed 2 Death Stars resulting in millions of imperials to die but the films and comics don’t show this as history is told by the victors so they ignore this.

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4 (edited by AlteringTheDeal652 Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:53 am)

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Yes, but there were still plenty of people who weren’t rebels on Alderaan. Since Alderaan has a population of around 2 billion people and even if 90% of them were rebels (I do not actually know the real percentage this is just an example, most likely an exaggeration) then that would leave 20 million innocent people left that would have been killed by the Empire. That is definitely genocide.

This deal is getting worse all the time! - Lando Calrissian, The Empire Strikes Back.

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That is ignoring the millions of people the rebels killed. but it was Tarkin who gave the order to destroy alderan. you can’t judge a civilisation by a few people in charge tarkin was ‘bad’ only because of how he grew up. The gunners as shown in a comic refused to fire on a city which had 40 million people in because imperials are not blood thirsty monsters they are people with morals UNLIKE the rebels who will kill who ever just to get there way

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You need to remember that behind the stormtroopers masks there are loyal people who believe the empire is a good cause and if the rebels are outnumbered it is because more people strongly believe in the empire rather than the rebels

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Also take anankin before his fall to the dark side a great Jedi who was called smart for his amazing tactics some of which by today’s standards are war crimes. Yet he is considered a hero by some rebels. yet if a trooper destroyed a rebel base using the same tactics they would be remembered as a criminal by the rebels.

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This is a really interesting theory, and I have often wondered whether the empire truly were the villains because when you take a step back they are just attempting to maintain order in the galaxy, and they do it well. The rebels are in a way just terrorists and I won't repeat what you said but all the points you made are true (from a certain point of view wink
from a non sith perspective the Empires aim was to maintain a safe and secure society for the people and end the dogmatic ways of the Jedi. We must also not forget the countless lives rebels took of stormtroopers just trying to do what they think is right standing up against the's terrorists and trying to put food on the table for their families- in many ways the empire is the same as the Republic,  but it is not distracted or weakened by an ongoing war or constantly being interfered with by Jedi- the people of such a dangerous galaxy need order and it's not what they're getting from a group of rag tags blowing up 'government' enforcement weapons and later establishing an extremely weak new Republic which does a pathetic job at maintaining order in the outer rim
also the YouTuber generation tech often randomly mentions the OT being propaganda movies made by the alliance, so it may not be giving an accurate portrayal of events
-as for Boba, he's no villain, he's just a simple man making his way through the galaxy like his father before him, and the reason he's after Han in the first place is because he hates spice and Han smuggled it

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Very late reply but I believe that the Empire were not all bad. They boosted the Galactic economy, seizing the assets previous owned by the CIS backers and creating employment opportunities. The industry of the Kuat Drive Yards, Sienar Fleet Systems, the TaggeCo megacorporation and Merr-Sonn Munitions were all sources of employment and income for many ordinary people and boosted the economy for many galactic sectors. This is just one reason, other being that the Empire was a meritocracy (promoting and demoting workers according to their abilities) and created law and order in the galaxy: ending the chaos of the Clone Wars and curbing the power of the Hutt clans. cool

“I’m just a simple man trying to make his way in the universe.” -Jango Fett , Attack of the Clones, 22 BBY

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I think the Empire were indeed "bad" because of the sheer oppressiveness of the regime.  If you didn't fall in line with their policies you were either imprisoned or killed outright.  Many "bad regimes" throughout history have had the same impact.  They have boosted their countries economies through conquest or slave labor, kept the trains moving on time, and given jobs to their peoples.  It usually came at the cost of eroding the country's individual freedoms and liberties.  There's a reason the Empire in the movies had a very "Nazi" vibe to them.  So, you immediately knew who the "bad guys" were.

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