Topic: Was Yoda Wrong?

Was Yoda Wrong...could Obi-Wan have defeated Palps?

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Nah. Obi-Wan couldn't beat Dooku (twice) and got lucky enough when facing Maul.

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Who knows. I always felt like Yoda didn't give 100% in that fight.

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4 (edited by Karson Fett Friday, July 30, 2010 3:28 pm)

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Fett_II wrote:

Nah. Obi-Wan couldn't beat Dooku (twice) and got lucky enough when facing Maul.

I think that Obi-Wan shouldn't be judged off those to fights. After all Dooku was one of the greatest swordsmen of his time.

Jedi don't believe in luck. tongue

But the fact the he beat Anakin even in his darkness has to count for something.

But you have to give Obi-Wan credit for Maul, after all he didn't have the advantage of form.

At the time of the duel with Maul, Obi-Wan was using Ataru-Form VI. Ataru requires a lot of space for the jedi to jump around, space that Obi-Wan didn't have during the final sage of the fight. Maul used Form VII-Juyo with was great choice by Maul because it really didn't need to much space.

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I always took Obi to be more of a Form IV kinda guy.

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However after that fight he changes his focus to Form III

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The third great lightsaber discipline was first developed in response to the advancement of blaster technology in the galaxy. As these weapons spread widely into the hands of evil-doers, Jedi had to develop unique means of defending themselves. Form III thus arose from
"laserblast" deflection training. Over the centuries it has transcended this origin to become a highly refined expression of non-aggressive Jedi philosophy. Form III maximizes defensive protection in a style characterized by tight, efficient movements that expose minimal target area compared to the relatively open style of some of the other Forms. True Form III masters are considered invincible.

Form IV is the acrobatic Form, heavily emphasizing Jedi abilities to run, jump, and spin in phenomenal ways by using the Force. Masters of Form IV incorporate all of the ways in which the Force helps them go beyond what is physically possible. Their lightsaber combat is astonishing to watch, filled with elaborate moves in the center of which a Jedi may be all but a blur.

In the time of Palpatine's Chancellorship, Form VI is the current standard in Jedi lightsaber training. This Form balances the emphases of other Forms with overall moderation, in keeping with the Jedi quest to achieve true harmony and justice without resorting to the rule of power. It is considered the "diplomat's Form" because it is less intensive in it's demands than the other disciplines, allowing Jedi to spend more time developing their skills in perception, political strategy, and negotiation. In practice, Form VI is a combination
of Forms I, III, IV, and V.
Young Jedi spend their first few years studying Form I and then a year or two with each additional Form before completing their training. By comparison, a Form VI master will spend at least ten years studying only that Form after completing basic Form I training. Form VI well suits the modern Jedi's role in the galaxy, in which a Knight overly trained in martial combat might be at a loss to resolve a complex political conflict between star systems. However, full masters of other Forms sometimes consider Form VI to be insufficiently demanding.

So it is possible that he was Form VI or at times uses Form VI, but overall Form IV sounds incredibly most likely. Wide flourishes, sweeps, blurs of motions... he's always twirling his lightsaber unnecessarily and flowing all over, doing the complex moves. It says Form III is more of a tight, compact, minimal moves, mainly used for deflecting lasers, kind of style.

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But Obi-Wan was a Form III master. He had an unbreakable defense. But with his time spent with Anakin during the Clone Wars, Kenobi's style became more deadly. If you notice in most of his duals Obi-Wan spends a lot f time walking backward, playing defense. While Anakin on the other was almost always going forward.

Dooku: Form II
Obi-Wan: Form III
Yoda: Form IV
Anakin: Form V
Mace: Form VII 

Its has been canon that Obi-Wan changed styles.

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What's the source for that? I agree with the others though.

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Wookieepedia...and I trust wookieepedia. It is also mentioned in many books.

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Wookieepedia isn't exactly the best of places, I'd prefer the book names. (I am sorta under-read when it comes to the PT era)

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Look I cant think of the names off the top of my head, but I have a visual dictionary of the pt

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As for the question of Yoda, I think that the Jedi had become so set in their own ways that they couldn't think outside the box, so therefore Obi Wan could not defeat Palpatine at that time.

If Anakin hadn't been such a moron and saw passed his own nose, he probably could have topped Palpy baby, as he was arrogantly certain of his control over Anakin.

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that's what the whole arrogance thing is about. most jedi started to assume that since they had the power of the force and could wield a lightsaber properly, they could do w/e and not have to worry as much as the common human would. the jedi training teaches you to not only disregard the idea that you're pretty much invincible, but that you are even more vulnerable in ways that cannot be described.

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Mel, your right about the Anakin thing. All Anakin had to do was run Palps through in his office and blam.

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He could be. Being a master jedi does not give you the ability to predict everything. Though, he was not able to defeat Anakin once he became Darth Vader. Not that you could completell judge by that.

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Are you talking about in A New Hope

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Karson Fett wrote:

Are you talking about in A New Hope

Yes as a matter of fact, I was thinking of that time where they ge tinto a lightsaber duel. Darth Vader manages to kill him though Obi-Wan made Darth Vader deformed in Revenge of the Sith. So that way,  iit's kind of a draw.

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My answer would be, of course Yoda was wrong, about many many things. All of the Jedi were in their last years before Order 66, that's why they were all beaten and made extinct.

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20 (edited by DarkOne Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:15 am)

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Almost all Jedi are wrong. He probably was too. Obi-wan almost defeated Darth Vader but gave his life to protect Luke.He could probably at least gotten close to defeating Palpatine.

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I don't Obi-Wan would have been able to beat palpatine. By the time the opportunity for the fight came around he was a form 3 specialist which is suited for fighting blaster wielding opponents and wouldn't have provided the offense needed to defeat palpatine.