Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Mandalore Hunter wrote:

Actually if you read the Bible, first humans were in The Garedn of Eden, which is now Iraq. If you believe in the Word Of God, then the first humans were actually Arabs...who have now have ideas of Holiness into their own twisted ideas. Just like Hitler and those of the Crusades.

How do you know the Garden of Eden was located in present day Iraq?

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

I like to study...ALOT. I'd heard it in a manuscript based off of the few details of land, and people estimated the most reasonable location.

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Trewqp wrote:

Karson has a point, technically black people were the first poeple to roam the earth.
Now i am not saying this for all black people, but black people have more health problems than white poeple, look at actor bernie mac, he was only 50 and he had asthma so bad he died from it.
Most white people dont die from asthma.

Another point, look how horrible africa is, are there any white people in control over there?
Also, look at what diseases come from africa where it is 98% inhabited by black people
AIDS HIV More i can think of right now

Me and karson arent racist, we just know that if evoultion really happened, then this must have some kind of truth.

Hey don't say anything about me. Karson isn't racest. He was just stating somthing!

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Did you just refer to yourself in the third person Karson? 

But as Mandalore Hunter said, there is evidence that the Garden of Eden near the Tigris and the Euphrates which is Mesopotamia.  Modern day Iraq.  Again this is one of the many theories.

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Yes He did smile

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

I also said people guessed the most logical place, Sev. And many theories become realities. There are several other hints, like God's flaming sword said to have closed off the Garden of Eden being a meteorite that Jews now consider holy and they worship God through it. Iv'e even seen pictures of it, and I would've thought it was a sword too at that point with it crashing down.

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Funny thing is I was studing the Garden Of Eden a couple of weeks ago in class

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Jesse Fett wrote:

I beleive in both. God is all powerful, he created evolution. Thats just what I beleive... Its a rather odd beleif.

I don't think thats odd at all. I've come across it before.

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

I always hear people saying that Creationism makes no sense and has no base in scientific fact.  This always amused me, considering the Theory of Evolution itself is just that....a theory.  As for not making any sense, I saw one of those funny homemade motivational posters the other day and it pretty much summed it all up.  It said, "THE BIG BANG THEORY"--In the beginning there was nothing...which exploded.    Um.....yeah.....

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

There are far too many older religious traditions for me to believe exclusively in a god that developed out of a cultural tradition covering a few hundred square miles in what we today call the Middle East. The Bible, as we have it today, is an edited, translated, re-edited,  collection of documents complied by humans over several hundred years. We owe a lot of modern christianity to the Councils of Nicea, (read a book), the fact that anyone can believe in either God or evolution without direct experience of either makes me suspicious of human psychology in general. Scientifically, the biggest problem with both positions is that you can't falsify either of them. You can't test, in a controlled experiment, God's existence. Likewise, evolution is a process, not an event. You can't see evolution happening, by definition, "change over time."

SO, my position is that I am going to have to be CONVINCED either way. Right now I am leaning toward evolution because we have a fossil record that supports some aspects of the theory, whereas, the Bible pretty much only supports itself.  But I feel it is foolish to completely discount the possibility of God, that's also unscientific.

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Sadriel_Fett wrote:

I always hear people saying that Creationism makes no sense and has no base in scientific fact.  This always amused me, considering the Theory of Evolution itself is just that....a theory.  As for not making any sense, I saw one of those funny homemade motivational posters the other day and it pretty much summed it all up.  It said, "THE BIG BANG THEORY"--In the beginning there was nothing...which exploded.    Um.....yeah.....

First of all, that's not what the Big Bang Theory is. Secondly, evolution has almost enough evidence for it to be a fact, but some people don't agree with it. GRAVITY is a theory, but iuf it's not true then why are we not all floating around space? And Creationism has no fact to back it up besides "faith".

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

If any of this evolution stuff is real, which I don't think is, God was behind it all. Like the Big Bang....Who lit the Fuse?

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

this thread is a time bomb.....

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Commander Appo wrote:
Sadriel_Fett wrote:

I always hear people saying that Creationism makes no sense and has no base in scientific fact.  This always amused me, considering the Theory of Evolution itself is just that....a theory.  As for not making any sense, I saw one of those funny homemade motivational posters the other day and it pretty much summed it all up.  It said, "THE BIG BANG THEORY"--In the beginning there was nothing...which exploded.    Um.....yeah.....

First of all, that's not what the Big Bang Theory is. Secondly, evolution has almost enough evidence for it to be a fact, but some people don't agree with it. GRAVITY is a theory, but iuf it's not true then why are we not all floating around space? And Creationism has no fact to back it up besides "faith".

Gravity I'm almost sure is Newton's Law of Gravity.  But just because we don't know how something works, doesn't mean there isn't another explanation that you can't quite comprehend...

There is not enough evidence for evolution to make it a fact.  That is ridiculous.  If there was then there would be no point to this discussion. 

I find that the concept of evolution within humans is ridiculous.  Evolution is survival of the fittest.  So in todays society why don't we have all those in Africa dying?  Because humans are compassionate beings and are taking steps to prevent it.  The general populace would not stand by while whole races die off.  Even more ridiculous that evolutionists would suggest that those emotions such as love and compassion would be controlled by chemical reactions in the brain.

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Maybe because they are. Happiness and other emotions are caused by a relase of certain endorphins and other chemicals.

I said ALMOST enough evidence.

I'm going to stop posting on this thread because I agree with Regimas.

"None of this is really happening. There is a man. With a typewriter. This is all part of his crazy imagination."

Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Sadriel_Fett wrote:

I always hear people saying that Creationism makes no sense and has no base in scientific fact.  This always amused me, considering the Theory of Evolution itself is just that....a theory.  As for not making any sense, I saw one of those funny homemade motivational posters the other day and it pretty much summed it all up.  It said, "THE BIG BANG THEORY"--In the beginning there was nothing...which exploded.    Um.....yeah.....

I gotta agree with what Appo said about that BB Theory. Thats not what it is. Its not that something exploded from nothing. There WAS something, a tiny compressed form that burst forth. The result of that explosion created all the debri that would form planets and stars and asteroids, etc... And of course theres alot more to it then just that.

Now, im not saying that I believe whole-heartedly in the BB Theory. There could have been another way. But I tend to think that it is more believable than having a supernatural being say "Hey I'm bored." and start poofing up planets and stars and animals and humans.

As for the Theory of Evolution, the signs are obvious. Sometimes I think that the only reason it isnt official is because it would cause serious problems which teaching it in schools and creation beliefs and stuff. As it is, the Evo Theory has caused enough problems with the religious community, if it was actually official then it would be worse. I'm not sure were all ready to accept it. Denial perhaps?


Sev Fett wrote:

I find that the concept of evolution within humans is ridiculous.  Evolution is survival of the fittest.  So in todays society why don't we have all those in Africa dying?  Because humans are compassionate beings and are taking steps to prevent it.  The general populace would not stand by while whole races die off.  Even more ridiculous that evolutionists would suggest that those emotions such as love and compassion would be controlled by chemical reactions in the brain.

Yeah I second that thing Appo said about the endorphins. Also, your logic is kind of flawed there with the survival of the fittest thing. I dont quite understand what youre saying. What about the buffalo driven to extinction? Where was the compassion there? They didn't pass the test of survival of the fittest.

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Valthonin wrote:
Sev Fett wrote:

I find that the concept of evolution within humans is ridiculous.  Evolution is survival of the fittest.  So in todays society why don't we have all those in Africa dying?  Because humans are compassionate beings and are taking steps to prevent it.  The general populace would not stand by while whole races die off.  Even more ridiculous that evolutionists would suggest that those emotions such as love and compassion would be controlled by chemical reactions in the brain.

Yeah I second that thing Appo said about the endorphins. Also, your logic is kind of flawed there with the survival of the fittest thing. I dont quite understand what youre saying. What about the buffalo driven to extinction? Where was the compassion there? They didn't pass the test of survival of the fittest.

I was referring to evolution within humans as opposed to humans as a cause of killing off entire species.

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Valthonin wrote:

I gotta agree with what Appo said about that BB Theory. Thats not what it is. Its not that something exploded from nothing. There WAS something, a tiny compressed form that burst forth. The result of that explosion created all the debri that would form planets and stars and asteroids, etc... And of course theres alot more to it then just that.

Now, im not saying that I believe whole-heartedly in the BB Theory. There could have been another way. But I tend to think that it is more believable than having a supernatural being say "Hey I'm bored." and start poofing up planets and stars and animals and humans.

As for the Theory of Evolution, the signs are obvious. Sometimes I think that the only reason it isnt official is because it would cause serious problems which teaching it in schools and creation beliefs and stuff. As it is, the Evo Theory has caused enough problems with the religious community, if it was actually official then it would be worse. I'm not sure were all ready to accept it. Denial perhaps? .

I agree completely with everything you said here.

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

regimas wrote:

this thread is a time bomb.....

What?  You afraid of a little 'ol time bomb?     tongue

There is NO fossil record that supports the THEORY of Evolution.  We have lots of skeletons of different animals that resemble each other........just like when scientiests a few thousand years from now look back, they'll suspect spider monkeys evolved into chimps, which evolved into gorillas, which evolved into us/them.  The dating system they use is flawed.....Period.  Plus since 97% of scientists all are just as convicned of Evolution *or at the very least that there is no God,* much of their work is spent looking at things through that narrow field.

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70 (edited by Valthonin Monday, September 15, 2008 10:31 pm)

Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Ralin Drakus wrote:

There is NO fossil record that supports the THEORY of Evolution.

You cant be serious...

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/e … ence15.htm
(Third paragraph is the best part)

Ralin Drakus wrote:

The dating system they use is flawed.....Period.

......why?

Ralin Drakus wrote:

Plus since 97% of scientists all are just as convicned of Evolution *or at the very least that there is no God,* much of their work is spent looking at things through that narrow field.

So you're telling me the religious fanatics and believers aren't all just convinced that God created man *or atleast that there is no Evolution* and that doesn't narrow their field of thinking?

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Well, if your a Chirstain, you should believe that God Created everything...now how folks believe he did it, is a different story

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

He could also have created Evolution...I don't believe it, but there is a possibility he did.

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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Valthonin wrote:
Ralin Drakus wrote:

There is NO fossil record that supports the THEORY of Evolution.

You cant be serious...
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/e … ence15.htm
(Third paragraph is the best part)

ok..........first, did you read what I wrote in the very next line that you DIDN'T quote?  and second, did you read what you linked to?

I will admit that I shouldn't have used the word 'support,' as that conclustion could come from such a simplistic veiw of the fossil record *really old lizard + not quite so old lizard that walks + T-Rex MUST = evolution*  I'll admit, vewing it from that standpoint would 'support' evolution.  The word I should have used is there is no SOLID evedence, let alone proof, of a link between two seperate species.  They admit this in nearly every line while maintianing solid confidence in their tone   

"Our modern wealth of knowledge about anatomy, embryology, biochemistry and biogeography provides ample evidence for evolution on its own. they brag... but when you look for the key words in their following statements, you see they have nothing solid.   

here is your "good part"

"The history of life, as represented by the fossil record, generally supports the theory of evolution without considering other evidence."

*note that they offer none of the inconvinient records that DON'T generally support the Theory they are pushing in this piece*

"If you look at the fossil record, you find a succession of organisms that is suggestive of incremental development. You see very simple organisms at first and then new, more complex organisms appearing over time."

*Not sure who in the Christain community argues with that **I'm aware that some do, but those are generally literal readers of the Bible, of whom I'm not** or what part of the Bible conflicts with that.*

"The characteristics of newer organisms frequently appear to be modified forms of characteristics of older organisms. Thus, this succession of life forms, from simpler to more complex, showing relationships between new life forms and those that preceded them, is suggestive of evolution. There are gaps in the fossil record and some unusual occurances, such as what is commonly called the Cambrian explosion, but the overall impression[i] one gets from the fossil record is one of incremental development.

So.........they have nothing.  They can look at the progression, and YES, if you take the most simplistic rout that excludes a Maker, then yeah, Evolution is probably the answer.  You think Faith is an easy choice??  That it's the "in Thing"??  If you do you've been living in a hole for the last few hundred years.  I don't believe because Evolution is just too complicated and because I'd like to just asume some greater being came and did all this with a wave of his hand.  I Believe because I don't want this to be all there is to life, and when taught with clearity and understanding, I felt Christianity was not the 'mystic, no science all faith' BS that many claim it to be

Valthonin wrote:
Ralin Drakus wrote:

The dating system they use is flawed.....Period.

......why?

See Sev's post about the live clam that was tested as being over 500 years old......

Valthonin wrote:
Ralin Drakus wrote:

Plus since 97% of scientists all are just as convicned of Evolution *or at the very least that there is no God,* much of their work is spent looking at things through that narrow field.

So you're telling me the religious fanatics and believers aren't all just convinced that God created man *or atleast that there is no Evolution* and that doesn't narrow their field of thinking?

um.........................am i?  not sure how or why you read that into what i said.  My comment was about the scientific community.  If you want to make the argument about the Christian community, feel free.  But don't ignore what I said but quote it like you really have me on something

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74 (edited by Valthonin Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:03 pm)

Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Ralin Drakus wrote:
Valthonin wrote:
Ralin Drakus wrote:

There is NO fossil record that supports the THEORY of Evolution.

You cant be serious...
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/e … ence15.htm
(Third paragraph is the best part)

ok..........first, did you read what I wrote in the very next line that you DIDN'T quote?  and second, did you read what you linked to?

I will admit that I shouldn't have used the word 'support,' as that conclustion could come from such a simplistic veiw of the fossil record *really old lizard + not quite so old lizard that walks + T-Rex MUST = evolution*  I'll admit, vewing it from that standpoint would 'support' evolution.  The word I should have used is there is no SOLID evedence, let alone proof, of a link between two seperate species.  They admit this in nearly every line while maintianing solid confidence in their tone   

"Our modern wealth of knowledge about anatomy, embryology, biochemistry and biogeography provides ample evidence for evolution on its own. they brag... but when you look for the key words in their following statements, you see they have nothing solid.   

here is your "good part"

"The history of life, as represented by the fossil record, generally supports the theory of evolution without considering other evidence."

*note that they offer none of the inconvinient records that DON'T generally support the Theory they are pushing in this piece*

"If you look at the fossil record, you find a succession of organisms that is suggestive of incremental development. You see very simple organisms at first and then new, more complex organisms appearing over time."

*Not sure who in the Christain community argues with that **I'm aware that some do, but those are generally literal readers of the Bible, of whom I'm not** or what part of the Bible conflicts with that.*

"The characteristics of newer organisms frequently appear to be modified forms of characteristics of older organisms. Thus, this succession of life forms, from simpler to more complex, showing relationships between new life forms and those that preceded them, is suggestive of evolution. There are gaps in the fossil record and some unusual occurances, such as what is commonly called the Cambrian explosion, but the overall impression[i] one gets from the fossil record is one of incremental development.

So.........they have nothing.  They can look at the progression, and YES, if you take the most simplistic rout that excludes a Maker, then yeah, Evolution is probably the answer.  You think Faith is an easy choice??  That it's the "in Thing"??  If you do you've been living in a hole for the last few hundred years.  I don't believe because Evolution is just too complicated and because I'd like to just asume some greater being came and did all this with a wave of his hand.  I Believe because I don't want this to be all there is to life, and when taught with clearity and understanding, I felt Christianity was not the 'mystic, no science all faith' BS that many claim it to be

All you did there was give more evidence to contradict your own statement that there is no fossil record to support evolution. The evidence is right there, youre listing it. You may say there is no SOLID evidence, but then where is the solid evidence that a Maker exists and created life? The fact that fossil evidence very much shows how evolution is true is the first thing I learned in my anthropology. I took the time after class to ask my professor today in person and get more facts. She laughed when I told her that someone told me that there was NO fossil record that supports evolution. She explained that there are two different types of evidence from fossil records that shows evolution. Seeing fossils through time and age, and seeing them through the different sediment layers and actually having the evidence right there in front of you.

Secondly, she told me how there are Darwinists who use an 'island' method to show evolution. They took a species of birds that can be found on different islands through out the world. Each island was different of course, and had different conditions. The different groups of birds have EVOLVED and changed to support the different environments more. The evidence is there, you choose to disregard it on claims that its not enough for you. Well, its enough for me. I can fill in the blanks here.

When did I say Faith was the 'in thing'? or an easy choice? Quote me if you want, but dont put words into my mouth.

Ralin Drakus wrote:
Valthonin wrote:
Ralin Drakus wrote:

The dating system they use is flawed.....Period.

......why?

See Sev's post about the live clam that was tested as being over 500 years old......

Let me go check that now, ill edit in a moment...

EDIT
I cant seem to find that, where exactly is it?

Ralin Drakus wrote:
Valthonin wrote:
Ralin Drakus wrote:

Plus since 97% of scientists all are just as convicned of Evolution *or at the very least that there is no God,* much of their work is spent looking at things through that narrow field.

So you're telling me the religious fanatics and believers aren't all just convinced that God created man *or atleast that there is no Evolution* and that doesn't narrow their field of thinking?

um.........................am i?  not sure how or why you read that into what i said.  My comment was about the scientific community.  If you want to make the argument about the Christian community, feel free.  But don't ignore what I said but quote it like you really have me on something

Yes, you are. And this can be clearly seen when you list quite a bit of evidence in your quote there and yet right after begin the next paragraph with the line "So.......they have nothing." NOTHING????? You just listed evidence, how is that nothing? Because you CHOOSE it to be nothing. You choose to disregard it because you "Believe because I don't want this to be all there is to life..." Youre emotions are clouding your ability to think critically here. NEVER did i say Faith was an easy choice. IT IS THE HARDEST THING TO JUST PUT FAITH INTO A GOD YOU DONT KNOW EXISTS. However, i accept it as a possibility. My vision isn't narrowed by fear or emotion. I'd sure as hell like to believe that theres some tie in between a God and evolution. I would love to believe in a God and believe so much that you are willing to die for this entity that you cant see or hear or know if he exists. I envy you with your faith, but I go for fact, not 'truth'. And the facts point to evolution, not God.

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75 (edited by Commander Appo Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:18 pm)

Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?

Ralin Drakus wrote:

You think Faith is an easy choice??  That it's the "in Thing"??  If you do you've been living in a hole for the last few hundred years.  I don't believe because Evolution is just too complicated and because I'd like to just asume some greater being came and did all this with a wave of his hand.  I Believe because I don't want this to be all there is to life, and when taught with clearity and understanding, I felt Christianity was not the 'mystic, no science all faith' BS that many claim it to be

Faith is more comlicated then Evolution. You have to trust in some invisible man with the power to do absolutely anything even though there is no proof he exists. Seriously.....wtf?

Why would you like to believe that some "greater being" came and did this all with a wave of his hand? Kinda makes us seem completely insignifigant...

And even if God exists, why doesn't he ever help anyone out? Why didn't he save all of those people in 9/11? Why doesn't he purge the world of evil so that we can all live in peace? And don't tell me he wants us to solve it on our own. That's just an excuse.

I agree with Val. I am someone who believes in facts, not faith. I like to have some actual proof about something before I believe in it.

I do accept that God is a possibility, but the facts point to Evolution.

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