Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

draco fett wrote:

1. There is an existing topic for this conversation: http://www.bobafett.com/boards/viewtopic.php?id=893
2. When people (usually I) call Jango an idiot coward, the give their reasons, so you can read those.
3. I never said that Jango is an idiot because of his death.

Coward:
-hires other mercenaries to do the jobs that he was hired to do

Idiot:
-used two wrist rockets to kill two guards, who were right next to each other, and were running away. One rocket or two blaster bolts would have worked.
-does not wear helmet in public, which is not intelligent in his line of work
-lead thee Mandalorians to decimation for the first time in centuries
-shot Zam when he could have shot Anikan and Obi-Wan
-armor is reflects too much light, whick ca attract unwanted attention

That is all that I can think of at the moment.

he shot Zam so she wouldnt tell them who he was so they wouldnt know who to attack

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

Yet they still somehow found a way to hunt him down anyway.  So you can really argue it either way.  If he had a bit of foresight I'm sure he would have shot Anikan or Obi-Wan.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just playing devil's advocate.

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

Devin Jax wrote:
draco fett wrote:

1. There is an existing topic for this conversation: http://www.bobafett.com/boards/viewtopic.php?id=893
2. When people (usually I) call Jango an idiot coward, the give their reasons, so you can read those.
3. I never said that Jango is an idiot because of his death.

Coward:
-hires other mercenaries to do the jobs that he was hired to do

Idiot:
-used two wrist rockets to kill two guards, who were right next to each other, and were running away. One rocket or two blaster bolts would have worked.
-does not wear helmet in public, which is not intelligent in his line of work
-lead thee Mandalorians to decimation for the first time in centuries
-shot Zam when he could have shot Anikan and Obi-Wan
-armor is reflects too much light, whick ca attract unwanted attention

That is all that I can think of at the moment.

he shot Zam so she wouldnt tell them who he was so they wouldnt know who to attack

And so he wouldnt have the Jedi order on his back

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

If he shot the Jedi, no one known who the assassin was, and he would still have a partner.

take it easy baby take it as it comes

Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

What if one had escaped? realy now, if my trainer/apprentice dropped dead right next to me i would 1 run like hel and glance back to see who did it.l 2 call base, so then there would be a whole bunch of dudes after muderur.

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

If he's the top of his game, then how hard would it be to kill two unsuspecting Jedi?  It's not easy for them to detect exactly where danger is coming from, and they couldn't tell what form it would take.  Two saber-darts to their necks, and then dress the corpses as some random mugging victims in civvies and there ya go; problem averted.  It also has a positive advantage of keeping a valuable asset alive.  I just think that that was a stupid move on his part.

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107 (edited by Mandal_ShadowWarrior Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:21 pm)

Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

draco fett wrote:

If he shot the Jedi, no one known who the assassin was, and he would still have a partner.

A weak one who was about to give him away, not the kind of partner ya want...if your in the bounty hunting buissness that is

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

I never said hehad a good partner.

take it easy baby take it as it comes

Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

It's one more person between the crime and himself, and therefore, valuable.

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

So were the Jedi.

take it easy baby take it as it comes

Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

I mean, if he still had Zam alive, it would be one more person distancing himself from the crime, regardless of efficiency.

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

draco fett wrote:

I never said hehad a good partner.

Him realizing he had a bad partner, was part of the reason he killed her

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

I hadn't thought of it that way.  But even so, a bad partner is likely to meet their demise in a more inconspicuous location, if the planner is wiser.  Killing them in front of two Jedi who are hunting you is NOT the smartest way to do things.  Now, say, if the JEDI were dead first, and the hunter second, and arranged in a way that made it look like the hunte took them out and died in the same time would have worked long enough for Jango to cover hsi tracks.

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114 (edited by virulent_messiah Tuesday, December 4, 2007 1:05 pm)

Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

How about we all agree that the way things were done so poorly, had more to do with the crappy screenplay writers and less than with the characters themselves.

Unfortunately the actions of our favorite Mandalores are limited by poor character development in a highly biased storyline.

Let's just hope the upcoming Boba Fett TV show doesn't suffer the same tragic fate...

Sev Fett wrote:

It's really easy to blame sreen writers.  Because you really don't have to back up your opinion.  It is purely opinion.  But when go inside the movie it's fun to debate tactical decisions as it makes it much more in depth.

Sorry if that made no sense.

Thanx Sev,
Im perfectly willing to back up my opinions, if offered a direct challenge. Yes, they are opinions. Last I checked I was entitled to a few of those...

virulent_messiah wrote:

Unfortunately the actions of our favorite Mandalores are limited by poor character development in a highly biased storyline.
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I meant to say that lack of Jango's character motivation and reasons for some of his poor choices in the movie were limited by screen writer's portrayal. They had to focus more on other aspects, using Jango's termination of Zem Wessel as a plot device. Unfortunately, such unclear actions are judged by fans on these boards as grounds to knock on Jango.

In some of Jango's comics, like the one with the Mandalore Vs. Jedi battle that proceeds his deal with Darth Tyrannus to offer his services on Kamino, Jango's ability really shines.

Different writers= better portrayal of Jango.

Sev Fett wrote:

It's really easy to blame sreen writers.  Because you really don't have to back up your opinion.
.

Is that backup enough for you, Sev?

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

It's really easy to blame sreen writers.  Because you really don't have to back up your opinion.  It is purely opinion.  But when go inside the movie it's fun to debate tactical decisions as it makes it much more in depth.

Sorry if that made no sense.

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116 (edited by virulent_messiah Tuesday, December 4, 2007 1:12 pm)

Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

check my edit...
And we're still on topic!

...'nuff said...

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

I don't blame the writers per se, it was Lucas who had to gie the final go-ahead.  Honestly, Jango was too much of a "here's a ointo Boba's past; hope it explains things" gimmick.  I preferred Fett back when he was a mystery.

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

I did not really mean it as a challenge or anything like that...

BUt what I'm saying is that viewing it from a view from reality like you said different people potray characters on how they view them, these characters in no way think for themselves as there is obviously a writer deciding how they should act.

But what I like doing is looking at in context.  As if the characters were flesh and blood, making their own decisions based on circumstances they are in.  It gives the element that you are actually immersed in the world you are reading about.

So on that note I still am not sure whether it was a god or bad decision to shoot Zam.  Jango may have been thinking ahead, realizing these people were Jedi, and figured he may as well make himself as impossible to find by killing Zam.  Jedi can block a blaster bolt which is moving a lot faster than a saber dart.

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

Can't we all just agree to disagree tongue

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

That would be the best course, but it would leave for minimal debate and influx of opinion.
I still think that it would be wiser to shoot the Jedi,a nd then kill Wessel.  It would be a lot harder to detect a small piece of metal, and deflect it, than it would be to deect and deflect a blaster bolt.  For one thing, a piece of metal is harder to see than a laser.  Three dead bodies, made to look like a bar braw, and no one would pay muc attention to it for ages, until the Jedi were revealed to have been Jedi.  By then, Jango could have been safely away.

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

virulent_messiah wrote:

I meant to say that lack of Jango's character motivation and reasons for some of his poor choices in the movie were limited by screen writer's portrayal. They had to focus more on other aspects, using Jango's termination of Zem Wessel as a plot device. Unfortunately, such unclear actions are judged by fans on these boards as grounds to knock on Jango.

That is true, but this discussion is in-universe, which means that writers are not concerned.

take it easy baby take it as it comes

Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

Which is what I said basically...

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

draco fett wrote:
virulent_messiah wrote:

I meant to say that lack of Jango's character motivation and reasons for some of his poor choices in the movie were limited by screen writer's portrayal. They had to focus more on other aspects, using Jango's termination of Zem Wessel as a plot device. Unfortunately, such unclear actions are judged by fans on these boards as grounds to knock on Jango.

That is true, but this discussion is in-universe, which means that writers are not concerned.

I understand. Don't get me wrong, I just felt like backing what I felt was a valid, intellectual opinion and not just some half baked "easy way out" comment . Sorry if I got a little crazy about it, especially to Sev. I meant no harm.

I agree that Jango made a poor desicion. Maybe he was in a rush to get home to little Boba?

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

Ha I could imagine it now.  Jango is about to shoot one of the Jedi but Boba calls on his com channel.  Dad! We were supposed to go swimming!

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Re: What is with all the Jango hate and disrespect?

Sev Fett wrote:

Ha I could imagine it now.  Jango is about to shoot one of the Jedi but Boba calls on his com channel.  Dad! We were supposed to go swimming!

LOL...sigh...

...that is pretty funny, Sev...

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