Re: Spartans and Mandalorians

Mace_Windu_ wrote:
Corran_Fett wrote:

While there are a few similarities, the Mandos are more like Vikings, Celts and Sarmatians than they are like Spartans. Spartans heed slaves, women have an inferior role, and Spartans go by the rule of the strongest; an infant that is regarded "weak" is rejected.

Females were treated as equals in Sparta, they just did not fight but they did go through gymnastics and they also went through some physical training and melee combat training

Females were not treated as equals. They were seen as much more important than they were in other cultures, but they were not seen as equals. The Spartans did let their women have an unprecidented amount of physical training and education, and they respected them as the bearers of their children. In comparison to the other nations of this time, women were treated AMAZINGLY well.

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women could also own land and other things so they were pretty much equals they were not mistreated by any means

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I agree to all the posts from Draco Fett and Fetterthanyou, who see the reality of the situation better than the rest of you. The Spartans were not mercenaries giving their talents to the highest bidder. They were great warriors who faced almost impossible odds to defend their people. While Mandalorians are quite honorable, the honor and courage displayed by the Spartans is nearly incomparable. Therefore the Spartans were better in their time than the Mandalorians were in theirs.

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The Spartans were not that honorable; they were completely willing to cheat in the Olympics.

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draco fett wrote:

The Spartans were not that honorable; they were completely willing to cheat in the Olympics.

I mean during combat, and even more during the events that took place in 300.

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Why, oh why did you have to compare two of my favourite societies??   ARGH.  Oh well.  If I really thought about it, the Spartans were amazing.  For me the Spartans were better in their time than the Mandos were in theirs.  Their bravery in the face of certain death, how far they were willing to go to protect Sparta and their families is astounding.  Mandos and Spartans are nearly equal to me, but the dedication of a Spartan outweighs that of a Mandalorian in my opinion.  But not by much.

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Mandalorian Assassin wrote:

Why, oh why did you have to compare two of my favourite societies??   ARGH.  Oh well.  If I really thought about it, the Spartans were amazing.  For me the Spartans were better in their time than the Mandos were in theirs.  Their bravery in the face of certain death, how far they were willing to go to protect Sparta and their families is astounding.  Mandos and Spartans are nearly equal to me, but the dedication of a Spartan outweighs that of a Mandalorian in my opinion.  But not by much.

It does to me because the Mandalorians are fictional while the Spartans really did do what they did.

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Ouch.  Good point.  Reality aside, Spartans are still (barely) better.

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They are both extremely cool, I must admit.  Also, perhaps you are right, the Spartans were better for their time then the Mandalorians were.  However, I'm still going to like Mandalorians more, they have cooler armor, and blasters, and jet packs, and even on occassion very cool accents like Jango.

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Mandalorian wrote:

They are both extremely cool, I must admit.  Also, perhaps you are right, the Spartans were better for their time then the Mandalorians were.  However, I'm still going to like Mandalorians more, they have cooler armor, and blasters, and jet packs, and even on occassion very cool accents like Jango.

How unfortunate that they are figments of imagination.

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No kidding.

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draco fett wrote:

Gustavo, the only thing not real there are blasters.

Oh so the Mandalorians are real then?

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Gustavo_Perez wrote:
Mandalorian wrote:

, they have cooler armor, and blasters, and jet packs, and even on occassion very cool accents like Jango.

How unfortunate that they are figments of imagination.

The only things there that are not real are blasters, if you generalize.

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draco fett wrote:
Gustavo_Perez wrote:
Mandalorian wrote:

, they have cooler armor, and blasters, and jet packs, and even on occassion very cool accents like Jango.

How unfortunate that they are figments of imagination.

The only things there that are not real are blasters.

The Mandalorian culture isn't real either. Or the material their armor is made of. Or a jetpack with a built in missile launcher. Individually the missile and jetpack are real, but together they aren't.

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This isn't about the reality of the Mando's; it's about whether the Spartans are worse/good/equal to the Mandalorians.  Unless I am sadly mistaken, and I need to get my eyes checked.  As we all have a large degree of imagination, just PRETEND they are real, if that helps.  Or think about it logically, and turn this thread into something completely different than that what it was to begin with.

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Let me throw my ideas in.

If you look at the Mandelorian armor, they have their likenesses.  For example the Helmet.  I've seen Praetorians using T visors as well as Vikings.

And lets say you pit 300 Mandelorian Super Commando's against one million EP3 Clones with similar terrain/bottleneck.  Do you think they'd be able to accomplish what the 300 Spartans did?

In my opinion I believe they would, but it'd be a bit difficult as 1, they don't use sheilds, and 2, were talking about blaster fire, not swords/pikes.

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Kel Solaar wrote:

If you look at the Mandelorian armor, they have their likenesses.  For example the Helmet.  I've seen Praetorians using T visors as well as Vikings.

The Spartan helmet is of Attic and Corinthian nature.

Kel Solaar wrote:

In my opinion I believe they would, but it'd be a bit difficult as 1, they don't use sheilds, and 2, were talking about blaster fire, not swords/pikes.

Mandos use any kind of weapon they can get. There are those who prefer long-range snipers, usual blaster guys, heavy weaponry, slugthrowers, melee combatants, swordfighters and so on...

However, going by the fact that clones use blasters only, the Mandos wouldn't stand a chance against curtain fire from the clones... a few bolts can be deflected by their armor, but that's it. Just imagine the scene in 300 when the arrows came down, and then think again, without their shields.

The situation largely depends on the battlefield. A plain battlefield, without cover or trenches or height differences, would make the clones win any second. On a battlefield that is hilly, that provides lots of cover due to defense setups, natural cover like rocks and alike, as well as trenches and all in a narrow valley or something, with only one way to get in, would tip the scales to the side of the Mandos.

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Yes, but as Kel Solaar said: they'd be in a bottleneck canyon, which, as you say, would tip favour to the Mando's.  I still think the Spartans were better, but as I said earlier, not by much.

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Ah, well, I overread that part with the bottleneck. It's all for the Mandos, then. More specialized, more advanced gear, and overall more adaptable and able to improvise more than standard clones.

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There is nothing wrong with making mistakes (goodness knows I do nothing else...)

But given a comparison between Mando and Spartan, which one was/is better in their timeline in your opinion?

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Well, the Mandos of a far longer timeline to look upon than the Spartans. If we take KotOR Mandos, then the answer is that they are by far better than the Spartans, given their superior equipment and tactics in comparison to Republic forces. Heck, they even captured dozens of Jedi to "study" them.

The Spartans, on the other hand, had not really advanced gear to their opponents (quite the contrary, when you look at the grenades and the beasts from the Persians in 300), but they relied on bulletproof tactical combat and fighting skill.

I'm pretty sure a Mando would still be as good a fighter when he uses the same equipment or inferior than his opponent, but we wouldn't really know, would we? You know the drill, like "a pilot's only as good as his starfighter" - then again, there are pilots you'd expect to do much of the same good in a bulky landspeeder (see Wedge).

Overall, I'd say there are about even in skills. Although, I must say that I least of all identify Spartans with Mandalorians. Vikings, Celts, Sarmatians, Mongols are more like them.

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