Topic: Spartans and Mandalorians

If any of you have seen the new movie 300, you will know it's pretty awesome.

Me and my friend Chase have come up with the disagreement that mandalorians are the equivalent, if not better to that of the spartans.

Agree?  Disagree?

Are mandalorians the spartans of the star wars universe?

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I always saw the Spartans as an amazing story, mostly because it is true. (not everything in the movie, artistic liscence and all)

I'd say that the Spartans were better in their time than the Madalorians were in theirs. 300 Spartans took on the Persians and held ground for much longer than they should have. Finally they were just overwhelmed with too many arrows and soldiers. The ending was very close to the "true" story though.

The Persians were seen as an unstoppable force. They controlled the Immortals, huge beasts, and anyting you could image. But 300 spartans still held their own, not to mention that they completely obliterated them when they came back in full force. I do not recall the Madalorians have ever completeing such a feat.

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no I think the mandalorians are much better than the spartans.

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This may belong in Role Playing.

Outline, care to say why?

Compared in their own times, I'd say the Spartans. The Mandalorians have much better weopanry that the Spartans could not compete with, but they were better in their own time than the Mandalorians were in theirs'. And the Spartans were extremely disciplined. There is a tale of a Spartan boy who hid a fox under his cloak. The fox, while trying to escape, dug itself into the boy's side. The boy showed no signs of pain at all, until he collapsed, dead.

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Spartans because of the discipline they have and the strength and training they undergo at such a young age would make the superior to the mandalorians of the times

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Don't mandalorians also have pretty much the same lifestyle though?

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No. They are family obssesed kind, warm hearted type of people now. Originally, they were all like Boba Fett, but then Traviss came along.

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8 (edited by Fetterthanyou Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:29 pm)

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The Mandalorians saw their family and battle as important. The Spartans saw battle and death at the hands of a worthy adversary above all as the main reason for living. A spartan would never show pain of any sort, and their wives would tell them, "Come home with your shield, or on it." Meaning return victorious or dead. There was no surrender, no retreat, no cowardice of any kind. If you did not fit the profile, you were... "discarded"

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If we were talking about the Crusader/ Neo-crusader Mandos it would be a pretty tough fight.  If the odds we're even and you trained the Spartans in the art of blaster fire and echani hand-to-hand, you'd have a pretty deadly force.  So I'd give this one to the Spartans.

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Haha, Draco, am I getting the vibe that you don't enjoy the new Fett/mandalorians that Traviss is putting into her books?

Let's not go by reference of Karen Traviss, what then?  Would the mandalorians be the equivalent of the spartans? 

In a Star Wars insider magazine I read it talks of the mandalorian culture, and I feel like they have tons in common.

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oh, and Sev, why would you give it to the spartans?  Are they not almost exactly like the neo crusaders?

I see almost no difference.  Even if you taught them to use blasters and echani fighting or whatever, The Mandalorians would still be equivalent I think.

Am I just stupid or something?

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Mandalorian wrote:

oh, and Sev, why would you give it to the spartans?  Are they not almost exactly like the neo crusaders?

I see almost no difference.  Even if you taught them to use blasters and echani fighting or whatever, The Mandalorians would still be equivalent I think.

Am I just stupid or something?

I wouldn't say anyone is stupid just because of their opinion in a speculative situation like this.

My opinionis this:
Spartans were more impressive in their time than the Mandalorians were in theirs.
Mandalorians would obviously win if they got in a fight, because they have way advanced technology.
If the Spartan culture was transplanted into SW time zone, I would say that the two groups would be very similar. But I still believe the Spartans have the advantage, they just have a more rigerous life style. But in the end, I think they would reject the idea of blasters and all use vibroblades.

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Mandalorian wrote:

oh, and Sev, why would you give it to the spartans?  Are they not almost exactly like the neo crusaders?

I see almost no difference.  Even if you taught them to use blasters and echani fighting or whatever, The Mandalorians would still be equivalent I think.

Am I just stupid or something?

But the neo crusaders still have some of the family ties and they value their family a bit more than the Spartans do which could be looked at as a weakness or strength.  But these two societies are so similar that I could say Mandos were based off of Spartans like you said.  But the Spartans were trained at a bit of an earlier age and some were full fledged fighters be the age of 15.  It really could go either way.

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In their time, the Spartans were probably better than the Mandos, as much as I hate to say it. The cultures still have their similarities, though,

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True, there are similarities, but I think the Mando'ade are a little more...humane.

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BobaFett243 wrote:

i think that they would most likily team up! becuase mandalorians got the weapons and tech and spartans have.... have..... stuff! so they would team up but if they fought i would give it to the mandalorians becuase even for an fearless spartan a mandalorian flying and shooting bolts of the red sun at u.... if would be pretty unerving. even if the spartans held there ground the mandos had to much advanced weaponry.

Ya, not much of a battle. One thermal detonator could take out the whole line of Spartans. They wouldn't have a chance, so that is why we were concentrating more on culture and fighting skill instead of tech.

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I have not seen the 300 Movie yet, but I do not like the fact that they wear no armor. That's historically inaccurate.

Anyway, I do find some big differences between the Spartans and the Mandalorians. First of all, Spartans would inspect babies and deem them worthy of life. If they were seen unfit, they would be exposed to the elements and left to die. As far as I know the Manalorians did no such thing. Secondly, the Spartans had a simpler life, eating black broth an wearing plain clothes. They began training the youth at age seven. The soldier's rite of initiation was to kill a a slave without being caught. The Spartan

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18 (edited by Fetterthanyou Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:26 pm)

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Spartan Hoplites wore helmets, chest plates, the metal skirts, and leg armor. But these were all optional pieces of armor that were a soldiers own choice to wear or not to wear. The shield was the only piece of armor that meant anything. Without the shield the Phalanx would fail and so would the Spartan line. So that is why it was said to "Come back with your shield or upon it."

In the movie, it shows the Spartans wearing some armor, but I believe Leonidus is the only one to be seen in full garb at one point. Just to make him look more awesome.

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i think that they would most likily team up! becuase mandalorians got the weapons and tech and spartans have.... have..... stuff! so they would team up but if they fought i would give it to the mandalorians becuase even for an fearless spartan a mandalorian flying and shooting bolts of the red sun at u.... if would be pretty unerving. even if the spartans held there ground the mandos had to much advanced weaponry.
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300  (the movie) is based off of a Frank Miller (Mr.Sin City) comic depecting the tale. So the movie is done to look much like the graphics of the book,much like Sin City was. Lots of darks and lights, and monotone colors and what not.

I think the two societies have alot in common. They certainly are both stubborn as hell.

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While there are a few similarities, the Mandos are more like Vikings, Celts and Sarmatians than they are like Spartans. Spartans heed slaves, women have an inferior role, and Spartans go by the rule of the strongest; an infant that is regarded "weak" is rejected.

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22 (edited by IG-88 Friday, March 16, 2007 2:26 pm)

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The spartans were inhumane.

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IG-88 wrote:

The spartans were inhumain.

Yes and no. They were a warrior race, they did what they needed to do in order to stay strong. They knew their survival depended on being the best warriors, and they were right. When 300 of their soldiers can hold against the largest army ever assembled... they are doing something right.

But by today's standards, maybe maybe not. They were one of the few places that believed in freedom over all things. They also held their women in higher esteem than the other nations did(though still below men). And although it is seen as "wrong" to discard babies and send their children out alone at age 6 or 7, they did what they felt to be necessary.

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Corran_Fett wrote:

While there are a few similarities, the Mandos are more like Vikings, Celts and Sarmatians than they are like Spartans. Spartans heed slaves, women have an inferior role, and Spartans go by the rule of the strongest; an infant that is regarded "weak" is rejected.

Females were treated as equals in Sparta, they just did not fight but they did go through gymnastics and they also went through some physical training and melee combat training

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Fetterthanyou wrote:

And although it is seen as "wrong" to discard babies and send their children out alone at age 6 or 7, they did what they felt to be necessary.

That is not inhumane at all if you compare it to the Noresman. One of themwas known as "The Child Lover" because he refused to throw children into the air and catch them on his sword.

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